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      XPost: uk.politics.misc, alt.politics.british, alt.conspiracy       XPost: alt.conspiracy.new-world-order       From: banana@REMOVE_THIS.borve.demon.co.uk              ***BEGIN***              December 29, 2005       Damning documentary evidence unveiled. Dissident bloggers in coordinated       exposĂ© of UK government lies over torture.              Help us beat the British government's gagging order by mirroring this       information on your own site or blog!              Constituent: "This question is for Mr Straw; Have you ever read any       documents where the intelligence has been procured through torturous       means?"              Jack Straw: "Not to the best of my knowledge... let me make this       clear... the British government does not support torture in any       circumstances. Full stop. We do not support the obtaining of       intelligence by torture, or its use." - Foreign Secretary Jack Straw,       election hustings, Blackburn, April 2005              I was summoned to the UK for a meeting on 8 March 2003. Michael Wood       gave his legal opinion that it was not illegal to obtain and to use       intelligence acquired by torture... On behalf of the intelligence       services, Matthew Kydd said that they found some of the material very       useful indeed with a direct bearing on the war on terror. Linda Duffield       said that she had been asked to assure me that my qualms of conscience       were respected and understood. - Ambassador Craig Murray, memo to the       Foreign Office, July 2004              With Tony Blair and Jack Straw cornered on extraordinary rendition, the       UK government is particularly anxious to suppress all evidence of our       complicity in obtaining intelligence extracted by foreign torturers.              The British Foreign Office is now seeking to block publication of Craig       Murray's forthcoming book, which documents his time as Ambassador to       Uzbekistan. The Foreign Office has demanded that Craig Murray remove all       references to two especially damning British government documents,       indicating that our government was knowingly receiving information       extracted by the Uzbeks through torture, and return every copy that he       has in his possession.              Craig Murray is refusing to do this. Instead, the documents are today       being published simultaneously on blogs all around the world.              The first document contains the text of several telegrams that Craig       Murray sent back to London from 2002 to 2004, warning that the       information being passed on by the Uzbek security services was torture-       tainted, and challenging MI6 claims that the information was nonetheless       "useful".              The second document is the text of a legal opinion from the Foreign       Office's Michael Wood, arguing that the use by intelligence services of       information extracted through torture does not constitute a violation of       the UN Convention Against Torture.              Craig Murray says:              In March 2003 I was summoned back to London from Tashkent specifically       for a meeting at which I was told to stop protesting. I was told       specifically that it was perfectly legal for us to obtain and to use       intelligence from the Uzbek torture chambers.              After this meeting Sir Michael Wood, the Foreign and Commonwealth       Office's legal adviser, wrote to confirm this position. This minute from       Michael Wood is perhaps the most important document that has become       public about extraordinary rendition. It is irrefutable evidence of the       government's use of torture material, and that I was attempting to stop       it. It is no wonder that the government is trying to suppress this.                     First document: Confidential letters from Uzbekistan              Letter #1       Confidential       FM Tashkent       TO FCO, Cabinet Office, DFID, MODUK, OSCE Posts, Security Council Posts              16 September 02              SUBJECT: US/Uzbekistan: Promoting Terrorism       SUMMARY              US plays down human rights situation in Uzbekistan. A dangerous policy:       increasing repression combined with poverty will promote Islamic       terrorism. Support to Karimov regime a bankrupt and cynical policy.              DETAIL              The Economist of 7 September states: "Uzbekistan, in particular, has       jailed many thousands of moderate Islamists, an excellent way of       converting their families and friends to extremism." The Economist also       spoke of "the growing despotism of Mr Karimov" and judged that "the past       year has seen a further deterioration of an already grim human rights       record". I agree.              Between 7,000 and 10,000 political and religious prisoners are currently       detained, many after trials before kangaroo courts with no       representation. Terrible torture is commonplace: the EU is currently       considering a demarche over the terrible case of two Muslims tortured to       death in jail apparently with boiling water. Two leading dissidents,       Elena Urlaeva and Larissa Vdovna, were two weeks ago committed to a       lunatic asylum, where they are being drugged, for demonstrating on human       rights. Opposition political parties remain banned. There is no doubt       that September 11 gave the pretext to crack down still harder on dissent       under the guise of counter-terrorism.              Yet on 8 September the US State Department certified that Uzbekistan was       improving in both human rights and democracy, thus fulfilling a       constitutional requirement and allowing the continuing disbursement of       $140 million of US aid to Uzbekistan this year. Human Rights Watch       immediately published a commendably sober and balanced rebuttal of the       State Department claim.              Again we are back in the area of the US accepting sham reform [a       reference to my previous telegram on the economy]. In August media       censorship was abolished, and theoretically there are independent media       outlets, but in practice there is absolutely no criticism of President       Karimov or the central government in any Uzbek media. State Department       call this self-censorship: I am not sure that is a fair way to describe       an unwillingness to experience the brutal methods of the security       services.              Similarly, following US pressure when Karimov visited Washington, a       human rights NGO has been permitted to register. This is an advance, but       they have little impact given that no media are prepared to cover any of       their activities or carry any of their statements.       The final improvement State quote is that in one case of murder of a       prisoner the police involved have been prosecuted. That is an       improvement, but again related to the Karimov visit and does not appear       to presage a general change of policy. On the latest cases of torture       deaths the Uzbeks have given the OSCE an incredible explanation, given       the nature of the injuries, that the victims died in a fight between       prisoners.              But allowing a single NGO, a token prosecution of police officers and a       fake press freedom cannot possibly outweigh the huge scale of       detentions, the torture and the secret executions. President Karimov has       admitted to 100 executions a year but human rights groups believe there       are more. Added to this, all opposition parties remain banned (the              [continued in next message]              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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