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   On Mon, 6 Mar 2006 00:38:36 +0000, banana   
    wrote:   
      
   >In article ,   
   >turtill@hotmail.com writes   
   >   
   >>On Sun, 5 Mar 2006 23:28:13 +0000, banana   
   >> wrote:   
   >>   
   >>>In article <7rfm02pv6mcv777jbscp5p1snl8omida2q@4ax.com>,   
   >>>turtill@hotmail.com writes   
   >>>   
   >>>>On Sun, 5 Mar 2006 19:22:26 +0000, banana   
   >>>> wrote:   
   >>   
   >>>>>I wonder whether Pete has ever been near a council house? Doesn't sound   
   >>>>>like it.   
   >>>>   
   >>>>I live in a former council house on a council estate.   
   >>>   
   >>>OK - but why were you so derogatory about 'council house wives'? The   
   >>>idea that most married female council tenants are a) stupid and b)   
   >>>battered is insulting, ignorant rubbish. It's the sort of thing right   
   >>>wing middle class idiots come out with, who haven't ever met anyone in   
   >>>the group that they so despise. You should know better!   
   >>   
   >>No 'I' live on a council estate and have done for 45 years and I know   
   >>what I am talking about. I live with it. I see it and I here of it   
   >>too.   
   >   
   >For about half my life I lived on council estates too. On one (I   
   >wouldn't generalise) the anti-social arseholes were unfortunately   
   >getting more clout but there was still a tremendous amount of solidarity   
   >among the decent people who were the vast majority. The estate contained   
   >only flats, no houses (the latter are usually more saleable by those who   
   >have bought them), and the few (2% of people?) who had bought leaseholds   
   >from the council tended to be snobs, which was doubtless played on by   
   >the bureaucrats and bankers who shafted the poor souls left, right, and   
   >centre. By now the service charge is probably more than the rent, and   
   >the flats are probably unsaleable at any price, given the fact (and I   
   >mean fact) of 'reverse windfalls', i.e. bills for very large amounts of   
   >money when the landlord decides e.g. the windows or roof need replacing.   
   >I think it is true to say that most of those who bought leaseholds on   
   >council flats didn't fully understand the risks involved. The same is   
   >not true of those who bought council houses, which are (usually) a   
   >different ball game. For the record, I am opposed to the sale of council   
   >houses and flats.   
   >   
   >If you think most married female council tenants are a) stupid and b)   
   >battered, you need to get out some more.   
      
   I didn't say 'most'.   
      
   >Why do you put 'I' in quotes?   
      
   Because you obviously do not live on a council estate.   
   pete   
      
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