XPost: uk.politics.misc, soc.culture.palestine, soc.culture.israel   
   XPost: uk.media   
   From: [remove]bencramer7@gmail.com   
      
   "Ariadne"  wrote in message   
   news:1152146272.810081.165740@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...   
   >   
   > eric.hagedorn@hotmail.com wrote:   
   >> I think that there has been enough misdeeds by all parties to fill a   
   >> library if we were to spend the time cataloging them.  But if we did,   
   >> we would fall into the trap that the parties to the conflict find   
   >> themselves in now.   
   >>   
   >> Instead, I suggest that we concentrate on 2 things;   
   >>   
   >> 1. Finding a way out of this mess for BOTH Israel and Palestine.   
   >> 2. Figuring out how to convince the involved parties why this might be   
   >> the best way for them to proceed.   
   >>   
   >> It is my belief that the great problem here is a lack of trust on both   
   >> sides which tends to create a self-fulfilling prophecy.  Because either   
   >> side does not believe the other side's wish for peace is genuine, they   
   >> do not make a whole-hearted effort at peace themselves.  Their opposite   
   >> numbers read this lack of conviction as betrayal-in-waiting and then   
   >> starts pulling back themselves.  This goes back and forth until the   
   >> peace collapses for lack of trying.   
   >>   
   >> I believe that the solution to this is to arrange the steps to peace as   
   >> a series of Boolean Logic - Israel could agree that, IF Palestine   
   >> recognizes Israel's right to exist and agrees to peace, THEN  Israel   
   >> will grant Statehood to Palestine along the lines that it has drawn   
   >> now.  That places the ball in Palestine's court.  If it fulfils the 2   
   >> steps (peace and recognition), then Israel is bound by its agreement,   
   >> and Palestine is its own state.   
   >>      If Palestine fulfils the agreement and Israel renegs, then they   
   >> can go back to war- Palestine loses nothing.  If Palestine fulfils the   
   >> agreement, Israel fulfils its part and then Palestine begins attacks,   
   >> Israel can re-invade.   
   >>      But if both sides stick to their agreements, then a major step   
   >> towards peace has been taken.  Palestine gets control of its own   
   >> affairs again, aid can flow in and both sides have to realize that the   
   >> other side is capable of moving  forward with the peace process   
   >>   
   >>   
   >> Comments, anyone?   
   >   
   > The Arabs must stop committing war   
   > crimes.   
      
   I'm not convinced they are. The stinky yids, on the other hand, certainly   
   are.   
      
   >   
   > It would also be good if they stopped lying   
   > but that is probably impossible.   
      
   Again - The yids have the monopoly on lying.   
      
   >   
   > If the Arabs laid down their arms today   
   > their would be no more war.  If Israel laid   
   > down her arms today there would be no   
   > more Israel.   
      
   And that's a bad thing?   
      
   >   
   > I may misquote but the gist - and the truth   
   > - is all there.   
      
   Not at all.   
      
      
   >   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)