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   From: [remove]bencramer7@gmail.com   
      
   "zr"  wrote in message   
   news:HF1rg.44179$Uy1.20868@read1.cgocable.net...   
   > The atheist.   
      
   Nope. The agnostic.   
      
      
      
   > "Ben Cramer" <[remove]bencramer7@gmail.com> wrote in message   
   > news:e8i34i$20ei$1@otis.netspace.net.au...   
   >>   
   >> "zr"  wrote in message   
   >> news:8l%qg.75653$hp.48335@read2.cgocable.net...   
   >>> It was Gods wish that they be circumcised.   
   >>> That is the covenant God made with his people.   
   >>> You have no biblical knowledge at all.   
   >>> Get an education moron.   
   >>   
   >> There is no god. Of any flavour. Now who's the moron?   
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   >>>   
   >>>  wrote in message   
   >>> news:1152155922.632997.45960@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com...   
   >>>> God intends to punish the circumcised. There is no hope unless the Jews   
   >>>> and Muslims stop the practice.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> eric.hagedorn@hotmail.com wrote:   
   >>>>> I think that there has been enough misdeeds by all parties to fill a   
   >>>>> library if we were to spend the time cataloging them.  But if we did,   
   >>>>> we would fall into the trap that the parties to the conflict find   
   >>>>> themselves in now.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> Instead, I suggest that we concentrate on 2 things;   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> 1. Finding a way out of this mess for BOTH Israel and Palestine.   
   >>>>> 2. Figuring out how to convince the involved parties why this might be   
   >>>>> the best way for them to proceed.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> It is my belief that the great problem here is a lack of trust on both   
   >>>>> sides which tends to create a self-fulfilling prophecy.  Because   
   >>>>> either   
   >>>>> side does not believe the other side's wish for peace is genuine, they   
   >>>>> do not make a whole-hearted effort at peace themselves.  Their   
   >>>>> opposite   
   >>>>> numbers read this lack of conviction as betrayal-in-waiting and then   
   >>>>> starts pulling back themselves.  This goes back and forth until the   
   >>>>> peace collapses for lack of trying.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> I believe that the solution to this is to arrange the steps to peace   
   >>>>> as   
   >>>>> a series of Boolean Logic - Israel could agree that, IF Palestine   
   >>>>> recognizes Israel's right to exist and agrees to peace, THEN  Israel   
   >>>>> will grant Statehood to Palestine along the lines that it has drawn   
   >>>>> now.  That places the ball in Palestine's court.  If it fulfils the 2   
   >>>>> steps (peace and recognition), then Israel is bound by its agreement,   
   >>>>> and Palestine is its own state.   
   >>>>>      If Palestine fulfils the agreement and Israel renegs, then they   
   >>>>> can go back to war- Palestine loses nothing.  If Palestine fulfils the   
   >>>>> agreement, Israel fulfils its part and then Palestine begins attacks,   
   >>>>> Israel can re-invade.   
   >>>>>      But if both sides stick to their agreements, then a major step   
   >>>>> towards peace has been taken.  Palestine gets control of its own   
   >>>>> affairs again, aid can flow in and both sides have to realize that the   
   >>>>> other side is capable of moving  forward with the peace process   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> Comments, anyone?   
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