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   From: [remove]bencramer7@gmail.com   
      
   "zr"  wrote in message   
   news:yx1rg.44177$Uy1.28554@read1.cgocable.net...   
   > Wrong. Only Nazis, Skinheads and Fundamental Islamics.   
      
   You're totally wrong, ikey. There are appoximately six billion people in the   
   world who can't stand the stinky yids.   
   Fact.   
      
      
      
      
   > If these insane parties are in power then we can all kiss our asses   
   > goodbye.   
   > Because if they kill all the Jews off, then the Blacks and Arabs are next.   
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   > "Ben Cramer" <[remove]bencramer7@gmail.com> wrote in message   
   > news:e8i1m0$2013$1@otis.netspace.net.au...   
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   >> "zr"  wrote in message   
   >> news:12%qg.44170$Uy1.6421@read1.cgocable.net...   
   >>> Yes.   
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   >> Most of the world doesn't necessarily agree with you.   
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   >>> "Ben Cramer" <[remove]bencramer7@gmail.com> wrote in message   
   >>> news:e8hu25$1v43$1@otis.netspace.net.au...   
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   >>>> "zr"  wrote in message   
   >>>> news:iH_qg.44165$Uy1.9912@read1.cgocable.net...   
   >>>>> If the Arabs laid down their weapons today, there would be peace.   
   >>>>> If Israel laid down its weapons today there would be no Israel   
   >>>>> tomorrow.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> And that's a bad thing?   
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   >>>>> Tragically, Palestinian children are socialized in an environment of   
   >>>>> hatred and violence through schoolbooks, television programming, youth   
   >>>>> groups, camps and religious leaders.   
   >>>>> Not only are these children recruited as warriors, they are physically   
   >>>>> placed in front of combatants as "human shields."   
   >>>>> Your sentiments are commendable but naive.   
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   >>>>>  wrote in message   
   >>>>> news:1152145057.025784.215150@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com...   
   >>>>>>I think that there has been enough misdeeds by all parties to fill a   
   >>>>>> library if we were to spend the time cataloging them.  But if we did,   
   >>>>>> we would fall into the trap that the parties to the conflict find   
   >>>>>> themselves in now and we would spend all of our time pointing fingers   
   >>>>>> at each other instead of looking for ways to end this conflict.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> Instead, I suggest that we concentrate on 2 things;   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> 1. Finding a way out of this mess for BOTH Israel and Palestine.   
   >>>>>> 2. Figuring out how to convince the involved parties why this might   
   >>>>>> be   
   >>>>>> the best way for them to proceed.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> It is my belief that the great problem here is a lack of trust on   
   >>>>>> both   
   >>>>>> sides which tends to create a self-fulfilling prophecy.  Because   
   >>>>>> either   
   >>>>>> side does not believe the other side's wish for peace is genuine,   
   >>>>>> they   
   >>>>>> do not make a whole-hearted effort at peace themselves.  Their   
   >>>>>> opposite   
   >>>>>> numbers read this lack of conviction as betrayal-in-waiting and then   
   >>>>>> starts pulling back themselves.  This goes back and forth until the   
   >>>>>> peace collapses for lack of trying.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> I believe that the solution to this is to arrange the steps to peace   
   >>>>>> as   
   >>>>>> a series of Boolean Logic - Israel could agree that, IF Palestine   
   >>>>>> recognizes Israel's right to exist and agrees to peace, THEN  Israel   
   >>>>>> will grant Statehood to Palestine along the lines that it has drawn   
   >>>>>> now.  That places the ball in Palestine's court.  If it fulfils the 2   
   >>>>>> steps (peace and recognition), then Israel is bound by its agreement,   
   >>>>>> and Palestine is its own state.   
   >>>>>>     If Palestine fulfils the agreement and Israel reneges, then they   
   >>>>>> can go back to war- Palestine is in no worse a position than it is   
   >>>>>> now.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> If Palestine fulfils the agreement, Israel fulfils its part and then   
   >>>>>> Palestine   
   >>>>>> begins attacks, Israel can re-invade.   
   >>>>>>     But if both sides stick to their agreements, then a major step   
   >>>>>> towards peace has been taken.  Palestine gets control of its own   
   >>>>>> affairs again, aid can flow in and both sides have to realize that   
   >>>>>> the   
   >>>>>> other side is capable of moving  forward with the peace process.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> Comments, anyone?   
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