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   From: jb004a8110@blueyonder.co.uk   
      
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   news:1152181731.089537.243550@j8g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...   
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   > JOHN BENNETT wrote:   
   > >  wrote in message   
   > > news:1152144738.246224.293010@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com...   
   > > >   
   > > >   
   > > > I think that there has been enough misdeeds by all parties to fill a   
   > > > library if we were to spend the time cataloging them.  But if we did,   
   > > > we would fall into the trap that the parties to the conflict find   
   > > > themselves in now.   
   > > >   
   > > > Instead, I suggest that we concentrate on 2 things;   
   > > >   
   > > > 1. Finding a way out of this mess for BOTH Israel and Palestine.   
   > > > 2. Figuring out how to convince the involved parties why this might be   
   > > > the best way for them to proceed.   
   > > >   
   > > > It is my belief that the great problem here is a lack of trust on both   
   > > > sides which tends to create a self-fulfilling prophecy.  Because   
   either   
   > > > side does not believe the other side's wish for peace is genuine, they   
   > > > do not make a whole-hearted effort at peace themselves.  Their   
   opposite   
   > > > numbers read this lack of conviction as betrayal-in-waiting and then   
   > > > starts pulling back themselves.  This goes back and forth until the   
   > > > peace collapses for lack of trying.   
   > > >   
   > > > I believe that the solution to this is to arrange the steps to peace   
   as   
   > > > a series of Boolean Logic - Israel could agree that, IF Palestine   
   > > > recognizes Israel's right to exist and agrees to peace, THEN  Israel   
   > > > will grant Statehood to Palestine along the lines that it has drawn   
   > > > now.  That places the ball in Palestine's court.  If it fulfils the 2   
   > > > steps (peace and recognition), then Israel is bound by its agreement,   
   > > > and Palestine is its own state.   
   > > >      If Palestine fulfils the agreement and Israel renegs, then they   
   > > > can go back to war- Palestine loses nothing.  If Palestine fulfils the   
   > > > agreement, Israel fulfils its part and then Palestine begins attacks,   
   > > > Israel can re-invade.   
   > > >      But if both sides stick to their agreements, then a major step   
   > > > towards peace has been taken.  Palestine gets control of its own   
   > > > affairs again, aid can flow in and both sides have to realize that the   
   > > > other side is capable of moving  forward with the peace process   
   > > >   
   > > >   
   > > > Comments, anyone?   
   > > >   
   > > Well I read the comments from the belligerents of both sides before I   
   > > replied to your idea.   
   > > Your failure(if that is what it can be called) is in expecting   
   rationality   
   > > from either side.   
   > > They have been educated(there's that word again) into their very own   
   belief   
   > > system and those belief systems are self perpetuating.   
   > > Let them continue on their chosen path in their own sphere but don't try   
   to   
   > > change them unless you are any good at emptying the seas with an egg   
   cup:-))   
   >   
   >   
   > I agree with you but I disagree with you.   
   >   
   >      The people involved in the conflict are displaying a situational   
   > psychosis, that's true.  It's a type of insanity that is usually found   
   > in wartime situations.  It was one of the reasons the Mei Lei massacre   
   > happened in Vietnam, and it is a large factor in the post-traumatic   
   > stress problems brought home by returning US Soldiers.  War is bad for   
   > living things, what can I say...   
   >      But it is important to understand that there ARE rational people   
   > operating in the war zone and they oppose the war.  On the Israeli   
   > side, there is an increasing problem with Israelis refusing mandatory   
   > military service if it involves making war on Palestinians.  This is   
   > happening both with the ground forces and the air force.  On the   
   > Palestinian side, President Abbas wants peace.  A group of 9000   
   > Palestinian prisoners of Israeli jails have signed a document stating   
   > their belief that Palestine must recognize Israel and move for peace in   
   > the undisputed territories.  And a recent survey found that 77% of the   
   > Palestinian people support Abbas' position.   
   >   
   >      So people on both sides are overcoming their belief systems.   
   >   
   >      There is now an additional factor.  The rest of the world has been   
   > made an unwilling third party to this conflict through terrorist   
   > actions.  Since we are all involved, we ALL have a say in the outcome.   
   > Unlike the past participants, we have loyalties to neither side.  We   
   > just want peace.   
   >   
   >      Yesterday, I proposed a plan for peace.  I have already caught   
   > some interest from a Palestinian "sympathiser".  I have started   
   > discussion aimed at bringing a peace into being.  And now, you've come   
   > across with an intelligent response where before all I saw in this   
   > group was letter hate-bombs being thrown back and forth.   
   >   
   Aaw shucks!  do you really think so?   
      
   >      I may be emptying the seas with an egg cup, but it would go much   
   > faster if I had help. :-)   
   >   
      
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