XPost: uk.politics.misc, soc.culture.palestine, soc.culture.israel   
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   From: lizgary@connection.com   
      
   Not for the decent folks on this planet.   
   "zr"  wrote in message   
   news:12%qg.44170$Uy1.6421@read1.cgocable.net...   
   > Yes.   
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   > "Ben Cramer" <[remove]bencramer7@gmail.com> wrote in message   
   > news:e8hu25$1v43$1@otis.netspace.net.au...   
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   >> "zr"  wrote in message   
   >> news:iH_qg.44165$Uy1.9912@read1.cgocable.net...   
   >>> If the Arabs laid down their weapons today, there would be peace.   
   >>> If Israel laid down its weapons today there would be no Israel tomorrow.   
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   >> And that's a bad thing?   
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   >>> Tragically, Palestinian children are socialized in an environment of   
   >>> hatred and violence through schoolbooks, television programming, youth   
   >>> groups, camps and religious leaders.   
   >>> Not only are these children recruited as warriors, they are physically   
   >>> placed in front of combatants as "human shields."   
   >>> Your sentiments are commendable but naive.   
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   >>>  wrote in message   
   >>> news:1152145057.025784.215150@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com...   
   >>>>I think that there has been enough misdeeds by all parties to fill a   
   >>>> library if we were to spend the time cataloging them.  But if we did,   
   >>>> we would fall into the trap that the parties to the conflict find   
   >>>> themselves in now and we would spend all of our time pointing fingers   
   >>>> at each other instead of looking for ways to end this conflict.   
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   >>>> Instead, I suggest that we concentrate on 2 things;   
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   >>>> 1. Finding a way out of this mess for BOTH Israel and Palestine.   
   >>>> 2. Figuring out how to convince the involved parties why this might be   
   >>>> the best way for them to proceed.   
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   >>>> It is my belief that the great problem here is a lack of trust on both   
   >>>> sides which tends to create a self-fulfilling prophecy.  Because either   
   >>>> side does not believe the other side's wish for peace is genuine, they   
   >>>> do not make a whole-hearted effort at peace themselves.  Their opposite   
   >>>> numbers read this lack of conviction as betrayal-in-waiting and then   
   >>>> starts pulling back themselves.  This goes back and forth until the   
   >>>> peace collapses for lack of trying.   
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   >>>> I believe that the solution to this is to arrange the steps to peace as   
   >>>> a series of Boolean Logic - Israel could agree that, IF Palestine   
   >>>> recognizes Israel's right to exist and agrees to peace, THEN  Israel   
   >>>> will grant Statehood to Palestine along the lines that it has drawn   
   >>>> now.  That places the ball in Palestine's court.  If it fulfils the 2   
   >>>> steps (peace and recognition), then Israel is bound by its agreement,   
   >>>> and Palestine is its own state.   
   >>>>     If Palestine fulfils the agreement and Israel reneges, then they   
   >>>> can go back to war- Palestine is in no worse a position than it is now.   
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   >>>> If Palestine fulfils the agreement, Israel fulfils its part and then   
   >>>> Palestine   
   >>>> begins attacks, Israel can re-invade.   
   >>>>     But if both sides stick to their agreements, then a major step   
   >>>> towards peace has been taken.  Palestine gets control of its own   
   >>>> affairs again, aid can flow in and both sides have to realize that the   
   >>>> other side is capable of moving  forward with the peace process.   
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   >>>> Comments, anyone?   
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