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   From: Arminius@hotmale.com   
      
   "banana"  wrote in message   
   news:6S82sFBtRpxEFwV$@borve.demon.co.uk...   
      
      
   > Try distinguishing between the racist and fascist ethnic-supremacist   
   > regime in Israel and the country. (Sure, there's the complication that   
   > the country was founded on the basis of the racist and fascist   
   > ethnic-supremacist regime, so if the regime is got rid of, I doubt that   
   > people will want to keep the name - especially given all the   
   > bloodthirsty racism in the Torah/Old Testament - but that doesn't mean   
   > there isn't a distinction).   
      
   I've never denied that there are some supremicist elements in the Israeli   
   government. That does not mean, however, I cannot see their side when they   
   are attacked without obvious immediate cause from outside. Nor does it   
   absolve the terrorists of their racist agenda, who clearly want Jews out the   
   ME. Or Iran or Syria for supplying the terrorists with missles.   
      
   One thing that amuses me is that Arab governments only seem to care about   
   Arab/Muslim deaths when non-Arab/Muslims are doing the killing. They don't   
   seem to care when Iraqis are killing other Iraqis. Or Somalians killing   
   others. And most Arab countries don't give a damn about the Palestinians -   
   unless, of course, the Israelis are harming them.   
      
      
   > No-one is allowed to stand for office in Israel on a platform opposing   
   > ethnic supremacism. No Israeli citizen is allowed to be called simply   
   > 'Israeli' in their ID, rather than 'Jew', 'Arab-Christian',   
   > 'Arab-Muslim', etc.   
      
   Such discrimination in official/identity documents on religious/ethnic   
   grounds also occurs in many Arab countries I believe.   
      
   > Genuine opponents of racism oppose all racism. Otherwise, the term can   
   > be used for tactical reasons by racists, e.g. Zionists.   
      
   I am against racism. I'd like to see the "holy" books of the "great" faiths   
   phased out, as I believe these contain what many see as incitements to   
   discrimation on racial or ethnic or historical grounds. I note with some   
   irony though that attitudes that many accuse the Jews - especially   
   Israelis - as having have their parallels in the Arab world and in the   
   Islamic scriptures. Plus in their popular media and culture. Jews are   
   singled out many times in the Koran for special abuse. It could lead one to   
   believe that the current hatred of Israel is merely a convenient excuse for   
   a wider agenda against the Jews ;-)   
      
   >   
   > PS The hell with religions, ethnicities, and religious and ethnic   
   > identities!   
      
   Let's hope we can achieve such an ideal world.   
      
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