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   From: RHBIYDTNPPAX@spammotel.com   
      
   On Tue, 25 Jul 2006 23:42:10 +0200  'Arminius'   
   posted this onto uk.politics.misc:   
      
   >"hummingbird"  wrote in message   
   >news:ps2dc2p606h3hghoshk6o2jth5u6192t6c@4ax.com...   
   >> That reason is:?   
   >   
   >I usually support the underdogs. Tiny Israel surrounded by vast sea of   
   >hostile neighbours.   
      
   How did that come about?   
      
   >Plus Israel represents the only advanced country in the shitty Middle East.   
      
   It's not the only one but anyway, why does that concern you?   
   Israel is no friend of Britain; it uses us for its own purposes.   
      
   >You know as well as I do the advances it has presided over in its short   
   >lifetime. Plus the many Nobel Prize winners that have been Israelis or Jews.   
   >Israel is an asset for the civilized world.   
      
   In what way?   
   Assets usually have value to us, Israel has none, only costs.   
      
   >In contrast, the surrounding   
   >Arab world hardly produces a single internationally marketable product (even   
   >the oil is located, extracted and refined with Western tech). Arab countries   
   >are typically poor, backward and rife with corruption and civil and   
   >sectatrian strife. Without their oil, they would produce virtually nothing   
   >that anyone else wants or values.   
      
   You seem to be forgetting that major M/E oil countries with despots   
   have been supported by the US for decades. In the case of Iran,   
   the US installed the Shah in 1953 which directly led to the 1979   
   revolution.The list of western intervention and cock-ups is very long.   
      
   The mess in the M/E is largely of *our* making - even creating the   
   state of Israel is our mess. We cannot simply wash recent history away   
   and try to start each day with a clean slate, which usually amounts to   
   blaming the indigenous people for the troubles when in fact they are   
   the victims.   
      
   That would be like blaming the RCs in Ireland for the troubles there   
   when everybody knows its roots are in British colonialism.   
      
   >Israel is the only democracy in the region - although Iraq is now claiming   
   >to be. It's also not a theocracy and stuck in the culture and politics of   
   >the 7th century.   
      
   Israel also has enough of its own religious nutters.   
      
   >Israel is a net asset for the world.   
      
   So you have said but I bet you can't expalin why.   
      
   >The Arab world is a net liability, as   
   >we see around us every day. Therefore I root for the light of civilization   
   >rather than the culture of the Dark Ages.   
      
   That's a lot of your personal opinion.   
      
   --   
   Zionists are really very simple people ... unlike humanity, they don't   
   waste time on morals, honesty, integrity, standards of behaviour,   
   guiding principles, Geneva Conventions, war crimes & international law.   
   They just follow their agenda and be damned.   
      
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