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   From: banana@REMOVE_THIS.borve.demon.co.uk   
      
   In article , Arminius   
    writes   
      
   >"banana"  wrote in message   
   >news:6S82sFBtRpxEFwV$@borve.demon.co.uk...   
      
   >> Try distinguishing between the racist and fascist ethnic-supremacist   
   >> regime in Israel and the country. (Sure, there's the complication that   
   >> the country was founded on the basis of the racist and fascist   
   >> ethnic-supremacist regime, so if the regime is got rid of, I doubt that   
   >> people will want to keep the name - especially given all the   
   >> bloodthirsty racism in the Torah/Old Testament - but that doesn't mean   
   >> there isn't a distinction).   
   >   
   >I've never denied that there are some supremicist elements in the Israeli   
   >government.   
      
   It's much, much more than that - it's the whole political regime. No-one   
   who is NOT a supremacist is allowed to stand for office in Israel.   
      
   >That does not mean, however, I cannot see their side when they   
   >are attacked without obvious immediate cause from outside. Nor does it   
   >absolve the terrorists of their racist agenda, who clearly want Jews out the   
   >ME. Or Iran or Syria for supplying the terrorists with missles.   
      
   And the US government supplies Israeli terrorists with money and weapons   
   too. The way you use the word 'terrorist' seems to reflect Zionist   
   brainwashing. Arabs in Palestine have been suffering a 'Bloody Sunday'   
   per week for several years. I do not seek to offer any 'justification'   
   for attacks on Israeli Jewish civilians, but there is clearly something   
   very wrong with the insane use of the word 'terrorist' when the large   
   majority of civilians who have died in the conflict have been killed by   
   Zionists.   
      
   >One thing that amuses me is that Arab governments only seem to care about   
   >Arab/Muslim deaths when non-Arab/Muslims are doing the killing. They don't   
   >seem to care when Iraqis are killing other Iraqis. Or Somalians killing   
   >others. And most Arab countries don't give a damn about the Palestinians -   
   >unless, of course, the Israelis are harming them.   
      
   The Arab governments are indeed a bunch of scumbags too. No disagreement   
   with that. BTW one of the reasons Hamas won the election with such a   
   level of popular support was that Fatah officials had been exposed as   
   doing stuff like making lots of money from handling the cement that goes   
   to build the apartheid wall. Not to mention the role of the Jericho   
   casino (involving much cooperation between rich Jews and rich Arabs),   
   that was such a main plank of the Oslo agreement. As in, 'fuck the   
   refugees, let's build a casino so the rich can get richer, whatever   
   their religion'. Meanwhile, as everyone knows, racist settlement   
   continued. And I mean extreme, absolutely clear-cut racist settlement.   
   No Arabs are allowed to reside in the 'Jewish only' towns on the West   
   Bank (called 'settlements' as if there were something heroic about   
   them), just as Arabs aren't allowed to join those other racist   
   settlements called 'kibbutzim'. (The latter unfortunately being a   
   little-known fact).   
      
   >> No-one is allowed to stand for office in Israel on a platform opposing   
   >> ethnic supremacism. No Israeli citizen is allowed to be called simply   
   >> 'Israeli' in their ID, rather than 'Jew', 'Arab-Christian',   
   >> 'Arab-Muslim', etc.   
   >   
   >Such discrimination in official/identity documents on religious/ethnic   
   >grounds also occurs in many Arab countries I believe.   
      
   And your point is what? That two wrongs make a right? Are you for an end   
   to the 'Jewish character' of the Israeli State or not? If not, then it's   
   you who are putting yourself in support of what we are talking about.   
      
   >> Genuine opponents of racism oppose all racism. Otherwise, the term can   
   >> be used for tactical reasons by racists, e.g. Zionists.   
   >   
   >I am against racism.   
      
   Then you must be for an end to the 'Jewish character' of Israel. There   
   are no two ways about this.   
      
   >I'd like to see the "holy" books of the "great" faiths   
   >phased out, as I believe these contain what many see as incitements to   
   >discrimation on racial or ethnic or historical grounds. I note with some   
   >irony though that attitudes that many accuse the Jews - especially   
   >Israelis - as having have their parallels in the Arab world and in the   
   >Islamic scriptures. Plus in their popular media and culture. Jews are   
   >singled out many times in the Koran for special abuse. It could lead one to   
   >believe that the current hatred of Israel is merely a convenient excuse for   
   >a wider agenda against the Jews ;-)   
      
   >> PS The hell with religions, ethnicities, and religious and ethnic   
   >> identities!   
   >   
   >Let's hope we can achieve such an ideal world.   
      
   Yes!   
      
   --   
   banana     "The thing I hate about you, Rowntree, is the way you   
               give Coca-Cola to your scum, and your best teddy-bear to   
               Oxfam, and expect us to lick your frigid fingers for the   
               rest of your frigid life." (Mick Travis, 'If...', 1968)   
      
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