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|    RobertLauzeckas to Steve S.    |
|    Re: NDE have you changed?    |
|    30 Oct 03 10:44:41    |
      From: CHESSRL2002@YAHOO.COM              Lets make this topic more simple.              - Is a fetus a life form capable of becoming human? Yes or No? Who cares       if it is only a few months away? The process is Alive and started.              -Every woman has a right over everything what happens in her body? Yes       or no? Swallow a diamond or drugs and it is her body property? Tell that       to the law.              -Is a fetus an extension of the mother or another life inhabiting her       body? Are the genes the same? Is the life blueprint the same? Or are       they of different people?              -A fetus can smile months before its born. What does that tell you?              -If you can take away a life which the mother thinks it will be a burden       to her by labeling it non-human then why condemn Hitler who took away       the lives of Jews inside Germany who he labeled as non-human and thought       they would be a burden for other Germans? After all, it is the same       style of thinking isn't it?              A pro-choice Jewish doctor might say the Jews were fully aware of dying       and that was the horror. I bet when you stuff the life out of anything       physically alive, there is a buried struggle to stay alive, a slient       horror. But one, not voiced. Pro-choice advocates should sign a paper, I       will not blame Hitler for his killing, because I believe the same,       signed below - _____________ name of unfeeling asshole.                                                 Steve S. wrote:       >       > I would say the truth is somewhere in-between. It's been my impression (as a       > man) that some significant percentage of women struggle with their decision       > to have had an abortion for many years afterwards. Partly the whole issue is       > confused because of lack of knowledge about reincarnation, i.e., when it is       > that the person in their subtle body enters the developing fetus. Depending       > on how you define "murder", it would be murder after that point, supposing       > you could determine what that point was. Whether the child was in the womb       > or not would not be the most relevant determinant. However, there is still       > the link of the mother to the incoming person and the destiny and       > relationship cut short (at least temporarily), and that's an issue to be       > taken seriously, as well. It would be something like arranging for an old       > friend to visit you from a far country, and they get half-way there and you       > cut off their funding. There could be good reasons for that but it wouldn't       > be something to do lightly.       >       > As for choice, once the incoming person has become established in the fetus,       > it's a person just as much as after it's born, in my opinion, and we don't       > allow people to "choose" infanticide these days, though that has been legal       > in other societies in history. Even today a few women do choose this method       > of "abortion", and perhaps some of them don't have any regret about it, but       > that argument doesn't necessarily make it right.       >       > I would be particularly concerned about late pregnancy abortions, because       > these fetuses may be housing newly-incarnated, conscious persons.       > Steve S.       >       > "Crowfoot" |
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