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   RobertLauzeckas to Steve S.   
   Re: NDE have you changed?   
   30 Oct 03 10:44:41   
   
   From: CHESSRL2002@YAHOO.COM   
      
   Lets make this topic more simple.   
      
   - Is a fetus a life form capable of becoming human? Yes or No? Who cares   
   if it is only a few months away? The process is Alive and started.   
      
   -Every woman has a right over everything what happens in her body? Yes   
   or no? Swallow a diamond or drugs and it is her body property? Tell that   
   to the law.   
      
   -Is a fetus an extension of the mother or another life inhabiting her   
   body? Are the genes the same? Is the life blueprint the same? Or are   
   they of different people?   
      
   -A fetus can smile months before its born. What does that tell you?   
      
   -If you can take away a life which the mother thinks it will be a burden   
   to her by labeling it non-human then why condemn Hitler who took away   
   the lives of Jews inside Germany who he labeled as non-human and thought   
   they would be a burden for other Germans? After all, it is the same   
   style of thinking isn't it?   
      
   A pro-choice Jewish doctor might say the Jews were fully aware of dying   
   and that was the horror. I bet when you stuff the life out of anything   
   physically alive, there is a buried struggle to stay alive, a slient   
   horror. But one, not voiced. Pro-choice advocates should sign a paper, I   
   will not blame Hitler for his killing, because I believe the same,   
   signed below - _____________ name of unfeeling asshole.   
      
      
      
      
      
      
   Steve S. wrote:   
   >   
   > I would say the truth is somewhere in-between. It's been my impression (as a   
   > man) that some significant percentage of women struggle with their decision   
   > to have had an abortion for many years afterwards. Partly the whole issue is   
   > confused because of lack of knowledge about reincarnation, i.e., when it is   
   > that the person in their subtle body enters the developing fetus. Depending   
   > on how you define "murder", it would be murder after that point, supposing   
   > you could determine what that point was. Whether the child was in the womb   
   > or not would not be the most relevant determinant. However, there is still   
   > the link of the mother to the incoming person and the destiny and   
   > relationship cut short (at least temporarily), and that's an issue to be   
   > taken seriously, as well. It would be something like arranging for an old   
   > friend to visit you from a far country, and they get half-way there and you   
   > cut off their funding. There could be good reasons for that but it wouldn't   
   > be something to do lightly.   
   >   
   > As for choice, once the incoming person has become established in the fetus,   
   > it's a person just as much as after it's born, in my opinion, and we don't   
   > allow people to "choose" infanticide these days, though that has been legal   
   > in other societies in history. Even today a few women do choose this method   
   > of "abortion", and perhaps some of them don't have any regret about it, but   
   > that argument doesn't necessarily make it right.   
   >   
   > I would be particularly concerned about late pregnancy abortions, because   
   > these fetuses may be housing newly-incarnated, conscious persons.   
   > Steve S.   
   >   
   > "Crowfoot"  wrote in message   
   > news:bkpsf4$i9d$1@iruka.swcp.com...   
   > > > in article 3F6D0CD2.2DF5@netzero.com, nancy at nancyOrange@netzero.com   
   > > > wrote   
   > > > on 9/20/03 7:28 PM:   
   > > >   
   > > > > Because you're a man you miss the most important argument   
   > > > > against abortion. Men can never understand the emotional damage a   
   > woman   
   > > > > suffers after her abortion. Once the life of the baby is destroyed we   
   > > > > feel as murderers. When it is too late the denial beomes our only   
   > > > > defense.   
   > >   
   > > Speak for yourself.  Sorry you feel badly about abortion, but I know   
   > > many women, including my own two younger sisters, who have had abortions   
   > > and have suffered no ill effects in the years since.   
      
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