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   janet to Crowfoot   
   AbortionJudy (1/2)   
   10 Nov 03 10:50:31   
   
   From: jprt@yahoo.com   
      
   Crowfoot wrote:   
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   > In article <3FADBA3F.8D9@YAHOO.COM>, CHESSRL2002@YAHOO.COM wrote:   
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   > > When we dream, the part of the brain which converts short-term memory to   
   > > long-term is turned off. If we awake, too long after a dream, we won't   
   > > remember it. So you do dream, you just don't remember it. This also   
   > > explains why people, even when they remember their dreams, only remember   
   > > having one, the last one they had before they awoke.   
   >   
   > Not if you spend a little time and attention training your memory.   
   > When I kept a dream journal, a couple of decades ago, by the fourth   
   > or fifth year I was remembering whole strings of dreams, though I had   
   > to dash off a key-word for each one immediately upon waking -- a   
   > list of keywords, that is -- or some of them would vanish in the first   
   > few minutes of being awake even as I scribbled them down.   
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   I'm glad your method worked for you. You managed to train that part of   
   the brain which does the memory conversion from short-term to long-term   
   to remain working   
   while you're asleep, which is good. Or, when you awoke, before your   
   short-term memory faded, is when you wrote your dreams into your dream   
   journal. Going over anything in your mind, repeating anything, help the   
   memory conversion process.   
      
      
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   > > Judy Hale wrote:   
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   > > > Should we be taking it into our own hands. Shooting abortion Doctors,   
   > > > executing the mothers. They have the same free will God as we do. We   
   > > > are NOT GOD or his helpers.   
   > > > We are all still just people, we can only live and hope we can make a   
   > > > difference. What do ya think?   
   >   
   > Everything is choice, and choice is what matters most.  If you choose   
   > fanaticism and kill abortion providers, you will have to pay off the   
   > karma of those deaths sooner or later.  Mothers who abort female fetuses   
   > in Asia won't pay karma for that (at least, not in my opinion since I   
   > believe conscious, soul-full life begins with the first breath), but   
   > they are still going to end up paying karma for other decisions that   
   > their acceptance of the idea of female inferiority will lead them to   
   > make about the lives of their mothers, sisters, and other daughters or   
   > daughters-in-law.  We "try on" different attitudes and then we "try on"   
   > being the recipients of the actions of others who hold those attitudes,   
   > and that's how we learn the acceptance that leads to escape from the   
   > wheel of incarnation.   
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    Here we begin to disagree. I'm very careful of where/how ideas came   
   about.   
      
    If I was an intelligent person in the remote past and understood very   
   little of science, what would I think about the connection between Life   
   and Breathing?   
      
    If I drown, or don't breath, how long do I live? What do I observe   
   about all animals, people or otherwise, if they don't breath, they die.   
   But I'm in ancient times, so...do I understand physical life as a   
   chemical process?...NO. So what is it that enpowers people, life in all   
   creatures? I give it a Life Force in my Ignorance. Understadable, we're   
   all limited by what we think we know.   
      
   So, as an intelligent person in the remote past, Life and Breath are   
   connected. Natural conclusion, quite obvious. So does a baby breath   
   before it comes out of the mother's body? How can it? So is it alive?   
   Not really! When does it become alive? Upon first breath, naturally.   
      
   That intelligent person in the remote past wasn't stupid. He/she made   
   the intelligent conclusion based on what was known in their time.   
      
   BUT today, we know the baby is feed oxygen throught their blood.   
   Breathing is about getting oxygen. We use lungs. Fish use gills. Both   
   for both, it is about getting oxygen to Live.   
      
   So can an intelligent person believe the same conclusion as his remote   
   intelligent ancestor? Only if he is Stupid.   
      
      
   God's breath gave life to Adam? Eve came from Adam's rib? Do you believe   
   in that? Is a woman somehow inferior to Man, being she came from a rib?   
      
      
   Look the stars don't waver much. So the heavens about are perfection,   
   reserved for the God's and Angels. That was natural thinking once. But   
   what do we know today? Super novas and violence all over the cosmos.   
   Even our sun flares up.   
      
      
   Babies soon to be born are alive. A fetus struggles everyday to grow   
   into something more, to become a full person. Just as an aging body   
   begins to break down and pave its way to death. One has live, served an   
   experience, a purpose. The other was about to start, but someone, more   
   concerned with their own self, their own   
   life style, made a choice, whoever that fetus would be, takes away from   
   a life style.   
      
   I never said killing abortion doctors is OK. But they kill. To me, they   
   kill with the same rational as the SS had in their minds for killing   
   Jews.   
      
      
                  SS   
   Abortion Doctor   
             ______________________   
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           Jews are not true humans.   
   Fetus are not true humans.   
           It isn't murder to kill a non-human.                         It   
   isn't murder to kill a non-human.   
           It is better for the welfare of German lives.                It   
   is for the welfare of the mother.   
           Besides we'll made profit from it.   
   Besides abortion doctors have to make a living.   
      
           Is this guy is innocent???...................................if   
   this guy is? Specially if it is a Jewish doctor?   
      
      
      
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   > > > "Alan B. Mac Farlane"  wrote in message   
   > > > news:BBD0E113.42E0%sumbuddie@sumbuddie.net...   
   > > >   
   > > > >   
   > > > > Hey ... I did not write the Bible ... I just quoted Exodus 21:22-27   
   > > > > that   
   > > > > clearly shows the unborn child is dead and has no breath of life and   
   > > > > can not be killed.   
   > > > >   
   > I think you mean that it can be killed but this is not murder, as the   
   > killing of a fully formed, ensouled person -- male or female -- is   
   > murder?  I agree.  The way I see it, the point of it all is to make   
   > choices.  A fetus has no soul because it doesn't need one -- what   
   > choices can it make?  None.  And if the fetus becomes deformed in some   
   > way that messes up the life-plans of the soul that itends to inhabit it,   
   > the discarnate soul can then change plans and regroup, which is just   
   > plain sense to me.   
   >   
   > > > > The women who has the breath of life - the soul - she can be killed   
   > > > > and it is murder ... not for the unborn child.   
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