From: CHESSRL2002@YAHOO.COM   
      
   I've posted this essay of mine before, but it does bring up a point   
   about NDEs. This is about a young man who picked up on NDE experience of   
   one of the famous thinkers ever born, Kurt Godel. Now this young man   
   himself was in excellant health and had no reason to even suspect Godel   
   would or could die on the night of his dream. Think of the odds of   
   dreaming/having a white light NDE of a person who actually was dying   
   that night. BUT MORE IMPORTANT, Godel was sending him information about   
   the true nature of reality to Rudy[the dreamer]. What was he trying to   
   tell him is most interesting. And should become a topic of conversation.   
      
   The people who debunk NDEs, claiming to explain it away with brain   
   chemistry gone wild in a dying brain, neglecting NDErs seem to come back   
   when they are told to come back, neglect they were not in a state of   
   denial, but thought themselves dead, neglect the state wasn't chaotic,   
   but with crystal clarity, neglect the odds of many people having the   
   same exact experience, neglect that NDEs see only only dead, not live   
   people, and neglect they don't know what they   
   are talking about.   
      
      
   BUT HERE IS ONE THEY CAN"T EXPLAIN!   
      
   Rudy Rucker was a student studying mathematics at Rutgers in the 1970s.   
   Set theory. But let him tell it from his book, Infinity and the Mind. It   
   is no New Age book, its a book on set theory. But in it, he took time   
   out to explain his own experience with Godel.   
      
   He had the rare opportunity to meet and talk math with Godel. That is   
   like discussing physics with Einstein. Godel was a giant in mathematics.   
   It was a rare privilege. Godel was at the time living at Princeton   
   University.   
      
   Well, let me get back to Rudy. You see, when someone experiences a NDE,   
   you can makes claims about their dying brain. But what about a healthy   
   young mathematician who experienced the white light, not when he was   
   dying, but when someone else was dying.   
      
   This is your......damm light travels at the same speed no matter what,   
   but this time in dreams and that famous White Light. Metaphysics, not   
   physics. With the metaphysical realm deeper into reality. No surprise.   
      
   Now if you accept it and try to explain it..ahhh...new insights Play a   
   modern Einstein. But this time its a mental light you're trying to   
   understand.   
      
   Rudy, "I dreamed I was at his bedside. There was a chessboard on the   
   covers on front of him. Godel reached his hand out and knocked the board   
   over, tipping the men onto the floor. The chessboard expanded into an   
   infinite mathematical plane. And then that, too, vanished. There was a   
   brief play of symbols, and then emptiness-an emptiness flooded with even   
   white light. The next day I learned Kurt Godel was dead."   
      
   Well? PLAY EINSTEIN AND FIGURE IT OUT! Can you figure out what Kurt   
   Godel was telling Rudy Rucker about the nature of   
   reality?   
      
      
   centaurion wrote:   
   >   
   > I recently read a news article in which Dr. Peter Fenwick states that   
   > the human brain completely ceases to function (flatlined EEG) in about   
   > eleven seconds subsequent to a cardiac arrest. I can find no reference   
   > as yet as to where he obtained this information. Have a good many   
   > people died, or at least suffered cardiac arrests of ten seconds or   
   > longer, while connected to an EEG machine? Has anyone done studies of   
   > the electrical activities of the dying mammalian brains of, say   
   > perhaps, rats, cats, monkeys, or dogs? Or is it a well known and   
   > accepted fact in the medical and scientific communities that the human   
   > brain flatlines in twelve seconds or less subsequent to the cessation   
   > of blood flow to the brain?   
   >   
   > On the other hand, regarding the claim of some skeptics from the   
   > opposing side of the argument, that the NDE is just the result of the   
   > activity of a dying brain, (or a "last gasp" of sorts); has anyone   
   > verified that the right temporal lobe (or any part of the brain, for   
   > that matter) becomes highly activated when it becomes starved of   
   > glucose and oxygen? And once again, how could one come to the   
   > knowledge of this? Did some scientists connect monkeys or rats to an   
   > EEG machine and then asphyxiate them? Or did they give the animals'   
   > hearts a well-timed electrical jolt to temporarily stop the animals'   
   > hearts from beating and then restart them again a few moments later?   
   >   
   > Where are these people getting their data?   
      
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