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   Message 1,537 of 2,497   
   Optional to Epoch II   
   Re: Do leseer beings have souls?   
   19 May 04 21:54:28   
   
   From: Here@my.place   
      
   On 17 May 2004 07:21:49 GMT, epochii@aol.com (Epoch II) wrote:   
      
   >>Oneness(non-duality), and time/space merges into the One here, and the   
   >>One now.  This is all inclusive.  This belief comes from experiences,   
   >>including NDE, in which the direct experience of a Oneness with All   
   >>occurs.   
   >   
   >I believe the nature of God is duality, not oneness. Therefore, this creates a   
   >sense of meaning. (In its simplest term: companionship.)   
   >   
   > NDE's basically give you a slice of the pie, but not the whole meal.   
   >   
   >Epoch   
      
   A NDE gave me far more than I could comprehend or communicate clearly.   
   I don't think that anyone really gets "the whole meal".  If the   
   transcendent really transcends, then it can not be described directly.   
   We must use the best tools we have which are always lacking.  The   
   phase "at One with All that is" seems to fit the experience, but in   
   the end I don't think that it is non-duality or duality, it is really   
   beyond these concepts.  The soul or self was at one with all, but   
   still there was a unique, individual soul that was having the   
   experience of Oneness.  Both one and the One at the same time.   
      
   Joseph Campbell said that, "The best things can not be said.  They   
   transcend thought.  The second best are misleading, because they use   
   thought to refer to that which transcends thought."   
      
   The beyond the dual, non-dual concept may sound like describing   
   something as a square circle, but relate it to the nature of light.   
   If you look for a particle, you find that it is a particle.  If you   
   look for a wave, you find  a wave.  It all depends on what you are   
   looking for.  Someone said that, "we see reality not as it is, but   
   rather as we are."   
      
   Even in physics the current theories are that everything is this One   
   basic, vibrating energy in a infinite number of forms or   
   manifestations.  This seems to fit the experience of many NDE's as   
   well as states described by mystics of every age  predating recorded   
   history.   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)   

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