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   Message 1,539 of 2,497   
   4ever to All   
   Re: Do leseer beings have souls?   
   20 May 04 19:22:40   
   
   XPost: alt.paranormal.reincarnation   
   From: askme@use.net   
      
   > It may be that there is no such thing as a soul.  We could all   
   > (animals too) be just incredibly complex self-computational and   
   > mutating biogenetic calculators attempting to deconstruct the   
   > universe into a perfect base existance while calculating out to an   
   > 'n'th degree the most complex dream imaginable.   
   >   
   > But, I don't believe it.   
   >   
   > That's why I said, too, these questions (Do animals have souls? Do   
   > animals think about thinking?) have to be answered by your beliefs,   
   > because at present science cannot answer them and probably won't   
   > within our lifetimes or even the lifetimes of our super-great   
   > grandchildren.   
   >   
   I see two possible positions towards the question: do Souls exist at all?   
      
   One is that our free will is an illusion and that we are material beings   
   governed by material principles and functions.   
      
   Two is that our free will is real and that we can not talk about our Self   
   our Soul at all because that would be like an eye that tries to see itself.   
   In that case the Soul is like the barrior of our existence, of everything   
   that exists.   
   We can not know what is really out there and the universe is what each one   
   of us Self has build in which we exist as invissable Souls, invissable to   
   our Self. Jusing the word existing like we normally do this means we don't   
   exist and in fact there is no contradiction with position one this way so we   
   can still hold that we are governed by material principles.   
      
   Now I feel I have a free will therfore I chose position two and the material   
   principles must somehow be an illusion that we cannot escape from within   
   current consciousness.   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)   

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