XPost: sci.psychology.psychotherapy, alt.consciousness, talk.origins   
   From: rscrawfordDUCK@mossREMOVEWATERFOWLroot.com   
      
   John Wilkins wrote:   
      
   > Bobby D. Bryant  wrote:   
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   >>On Thu, 17 Jun 2004 02:28:44 +0000, CAndersen (Kimba) wrote:   
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   >>   
   >>>john_SPAM@wilkins.id.au (John Wilkins) wrote:   
   >>>   
   >>>   
   >>>>OOBs and NDEs are caused by differences in brain states. They are not   
   >>>>really that unusual - in cases of oxygen deprivation, for example, the   
   >>>>brain shuts down parts of it that are used to filter out random activity   
   >>>>and recognise bodily states. Drugs will do it too.   
   >>>   
   >>>Well, so much for the tons of evidence for the reality of these   
   >>>particular experiences...   
   >>   
   >>Tell us more about this evidence.   
   >   
   >   
   > I knew this would get a rise, but I am satisfied with Sue Blackmore's   
   > work on NDEs. Still, I'll watch this with popcorn in hand...   
      
   I'm familiar with Dr. Blackmore's work on NDE's as well as an article   
   she wrote for _Skeptical Inquirer_ about the "old hag" experience.   
   Fascinating stuff.   
      
   I've seen plenty of attempts by psychics and psychic-friendly folks to   
   somehow debunk her findings, but the only ones that interested me were   
   the ones who essentially said, "Well, of COURSE there's a physical   
   manifestation of the spiritual experience!  Doesn't mean it's not real."   
      
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