XPost: sci.psychology.psychotherapy, alt.consciousness, talk.origins   
   From: none.of@your.biz   
      
   John Wilkins wrote:   
      
   > Ken Shaw  wrote:   
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   >>John Wilkins wrote:   
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   >>>Bobby D. Bryant  wrote:   
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   >>>>On Thu, 17 Jun 2004 02:28:44 +0000, CAndersen (Kimba) wrote:   
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   >>>>>john_SPAM@wilkins.id.au (John Wilkins) wrote:   
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   >>>>>>OOBs and NDEs are caused by differences in brain states. They are not   
   >>>>>>really that unusual - in cases of oxygen deprivation, for example, the   
   >>>>>>brain shuts down parts of it that are used to filter out random activity   
   >>>>>>and recognise bodily states. Drugs will do it too.   
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   >>>>>Well, so much for the tons of evidence for the reality of these   
   >>>>>particular experiences...   
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   >>>>Tell us more about this evidence.   
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   >>>I knew this would get a rise, but I am satisfied with Sue Blackmore's   
   >>>work on NDEs. Still, I'll watch this with popcorn in hand...   
   >>   
   >>Back in college I was a participant in an experiment attempting to cause   
   >>NDE like symptoms using magnetic fields. I wore a silly looking helmet   
   >>that caused me to have a NDE within seconds of being turned on. I saw a   
   >>circle of light at a seeming distance and had a sensation of motion   
   >>toward it. Of course I wasn't near death it was a simple matter of   
   >>interfering with the electrical activity in my brain.   
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   >>If there is evidence that this phenomena is not a natural occurrence of   
   >>the shutdown of the brain due to whatever factor I have never heard   
   >>about it.   
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   > But did you see Jeebus/Buddha/Mohammed/Mithras/Your Mother? It isn't an   
   > NDE unless there's a deity involved.   
      
   I didn't see anything but the light but I had a distinct impression of a   
   presence. To be honest it was the weirdest way I ever found to get   
   drinking money.   
      
   Ken   
      
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