XPost: sci.psychology.psychotherapy, alt.consciousness, talk.origins   
   From: KimbaWLionATaolDOTcom@127.0.0.1   
      
   Ken Shaw  wrote:   
      
   >Actually that would be fraud if he claimed to have a million dollars for   
   >proof of a paranormal power and then set up his test to keep from   
   >awarding the money. Since he includes the use of disinterested third   
   >parties to do the testing I must conclude you have no idea what you are   
   >talking about.   
      
   And I am quite bored by this blind faith in The Amazing Randi. I refer you   
   to 10dag0kdddbgc02@corp.supernews.com   
   That's a Usenet message ID. If your newsreader can't find it for you,   
   Google Groups can.   
      
   >In both this and the previous posts you both selectively edited my   
   >statements and in the previous post you went so far as to rearrange   
   >paragraphs.   
      
   It's called brevity. Excuse me. I quote merely to refer the reader to the   
   point I am responding to. Your original message still remains available   
   for anyone interested enough to read it. You still didn't say that I   
   altered your meaning.   
      
   >Then it should be trivial for you to get the spirits to perform any one   
   >of a number of simple tests to prove your ability to get information   
   >about things you cannot sense directly.   
      
   That's a common POV, that we should be able to get them to jump through   
   hoops on command. I find it just as arrogant as the rest of your comments.   
      
   >I read things into your statements motives which are the only rational   
   >reason for your behavior. A person who makes the claims you do but won't   
   >attempt to prove what is happening to him but instead posts to usenet   
   >and makes vague self important statements will tend to cause rational   
   >skeptical people to see you as a fraud.   
      
   And, I take it you don't see the self-importance in your own words? You   
   demonstrate perfectly the kinds of obstacles that people who have these   
   experiences have to face. I'm merely waiting for the slightest hint of   
   open-mindedness in your position. Without that, there's no point in taking   
   any of your words seriously.   
      
      
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