XPost: sci.psychology.psychotherapy, alt.consciousness, talk.origins   
   From: rst@yahoo.com   
      
   Actually you guys there is someone famous in math, generally not read I   
   know, who experienced the white light, BUT WHEN HE DIED, but when   
   somebody much more famous than him died. Let me repeat it as I did at my   
   site here : read past the short build-up.   
      
      
   During the turn of the century some scientists conducted experiments   
   hoping to discover the speed of light. Of course, it would be the same   
   as sound, only much faster. They weren't looking for anything more,   
   anything strange. But STRANGE CAME CALLING! They discovered the speed of   
   light had the same speed no matter what the reference. Now anyone with   
   an understanding of physics knew that was impossible. And where was that   
   damm ether they just knew had to permeate all space??   
      
   Speed of Light was a constant- no matter what reference? Shouldn't be,   
   but was. No ether, but light was a wave, every wave needed a medium to   
   travel through, so ether had to exist..but DIDN'T. Another shouldn't be.   
   But there was an over-educated little Jewish patent clerk. Poor student,   
   low grades. Destined for failure. Why? Just ask any of his teachers.   
   They would tell you just why he was just a patent clerk.   
      
   And he was smart enough to accept a weird universe with impossible laws.   
   Like the speed of light being a constant. Some of the others were too   
   busy trying to figure out what went wrong with the experiment. But he   
   persisted and there went E=M * C-squared. All because he accepted what   
   others COULDN'T.   
      
      
   Now today, it is the same today with another observation. One which   
   can't be repeated. One which has to be taken on faith. But one, if it   
   pans out will open another new door. One other point before I forget. So   
   like me these days. The people who debunk NDEs, claiming to explain it   
   away with brain chemistry gone wild in a dying brain, neglecting NDErs   
   seem to come back when they are told to come back, neglect they were not   
   in a state of denial, but thought themselves dead, neglect the state   
   wasn't chaotic, but with crystal clarity, neglect the odds of many   
   people having the same exact experience, neglect that NDEs see only only   
   dead, not live people, and neglect they don't know what they are talking   
   about.   
      
   BUT HERE IS ONE THEY CAN"T EXPLAIN!   
      
   Rudy Rucker was a student studying mathematics at Rutgers in the 1970s.   
   Set theory. But let him tell it from his book, Infinity and the Mind. It   
   is no New Age book, its a book on set theory. But in it, he took time   
   out to explain his own experience with Godel.   
      
   He had the rare opportunity to meet and talk math with Godel. That is   
   like discussing physics with Einstein. Godel was a giant in mathematics.   
   It was a rare privilege. Godel was at the time living at Princeton   
   University.   
      
   Well, let me get back to Rudy.   
      
   You see, when someone experiences a NDE, you can makes claims about   
   their dying brain. But what about a healthy young mathematician who   
   experienced the white light, not when he was dying, but when someone   
   else was dying. This is your......damm light travels at the same speed   
   no matter what, but this time in dreams and that famous White Light.   
   Metaphysics, not physics. With the metaphysical realm deeper into   
   reality. No surprise. Now if you accept it and try to explain   
   it..ahhh...new insights.   
      
   Play a modern Einstein.   
   But this time its a mental light you're trying to understand.   
      
   Rudy, "I dreamed I was at his bedside. There was a chessboard on the   
   covers on front of him. Godel reached his hand out and knocked the board   
   over, tipping the men onto the floor. The chessboard expanded into an   
   infinite mathematical plane. And then that, too, vanished. There was a   
   brief play of symbols, and then emptiness-an emptiness flooded with even   
   white light. The next day I learned Kurt Godel was dead."   
      
      
      
   Well? PLAY EINSTEIN AND FIGURE IT OUT!   
      
   Can you figure out what Kurt Godel was telling Rudy Rucker about the   
   nature of   
   reality?   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)