XPost: sci.psychology.psychotherapy, alt.consciousness, talk.origins   
   From: richeywizard@hotmail.com   
      
   Of course! It was to stay away from those damned MUSHROOMS!   
      
      
      
   "rogerst"  wrote in message news:40E498A2.33DB@yahoo.com...   
   > Actually you guys there is someone famous in math, generally not read I   
   > know, who experienced the white light, BUT WHEN HE DIED, but when   
   > somebody much more famous than him died. Let me repeat it as I did at my   
   > site here : read past the short build-up.   
   >   
   >   
   > During the turn of the century some scientists conducted experiments   
   > hoping to discover the speed of light. Of course, it would be the same   
   > as sound, only much faster. They weren't looking for anything more,   
   > anything strange. But STRANGE CAME CALLING! They discovered the speed of   
   > light had the same speed no matter what the reference. Now anyone with   
   > an understanding of physics knew that was impossible. And where was that   
   > damm ether they just knew had to permeate all space??   
   >   
   > Speed of Light was a constant- no matter what reference? Shouldn't be,   
   > but was. No ether, but light was a wave, every wave needed a medium to   
   > travel through, so ether had to exist..but DIDN'T. Another shouldn't be.   
   > But there was an over-educated little Jewish patent clerk. Poor student,   
   > low grades. Destined for failure. Why? Just ask any of his teachers.   
   > They would tell you just why he was just a patent clerk.   
   >   
   > And he was smart enough to accept a weird universe with impossible laws.   
   > Like the speed of light being a constant. Some of the others were too   
   > busy trying to figure out what went wrong with the experiment. But he   
   > persisted and there went E=M * C-squared. All because he accepted what   
   > others COULDN'T.   
   >   
   >   
   > Now today, it is the same today with another observation. One which   
   > can't be repeated. One which has to be taken on faith. But one, if it   
   > pans out will open another new door. One other point before I forget. So   
   > like me these days. The people who debunk NDEs, claiming to explain it   
   > away with brain chemistry gone wild in a dying brain, neglecting NDErs   
   > seem to come back when they are told to come back, neglect they were not   
   > in a state of denial, but thought themselves dead, neglect the state   
   > wasn't chaotic, but with crystal clarity, neglect the odds of many   
   > people having the same exact experience, neglect that NDEs see only only   
   > dead, not live people, and neglect they don't know what they are talking   
   > about.   
   >   
   > BUT HERE IS ONE THEY CAN"T EXPLAIN!   
   >   
   > Rudy Rucker was a student studying mathematics at Rutgers in the 1970s.   
   > Set theory. But let him tell it from his book, Infinity and the Mind. It   
   > is no New Age book, its a book on set theory. But in it, he took time   
   > out to explain his own experience with Godel.   
   >   
   > He had the rare opportunity to meet and talk math with Godel. That is   
   > like discussing physics with Einstein. Godel was a giant in mathematics.   
   > It was a rare privilege. Godel was at the time living at Princeton   
   > University.   
   >   
   > Well, let me get back to Rudy.   
   >   
   > You see, when someone experiences a NDE, you can makes claims about   
   > their dying brain. But what about a healthy young mathematician who   
   > experienced the white light, not when he was dying, but when someone   
   > else was dying. This is your......damm light travels at the same speed   
   > no matter what, but this time in dreams and that famous White Light.   
   > Metaphysics, not physics. With the metaphysical realm deeper into   
   > reality. No surprise. Now if you accept it and try to explain   
   > it..ahhh...new insights.   
   >   
   > Play a modern Einstein.   
   > But this time its a mental light you're trying to understand.   
   >   
   > Rudy, "I dreamed I was at his bedside. There was a chessboard on the   
   > covers on front of him. Godel reached his hand out and knocked the board   
   > over, tipping the men onto the floor. The chessboard expanded into an   
   > infinite mathematical plane. And then that, too, vanished. There was a   
   > brief play of symbols, and then emptiness-an emptiness flooded with even   
   > white light. The next day I learned Kurt Godel was dead."   
   >   
   >   
   >   
   > Well? PLAY EINSTEIN AND FIGURE IT OUT!   
   >   
   > Can you figure out what Kurt Godel was telling Rudy Rucker about the   
   > nature of   
   > reality?   
   >   
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