XPost: sci.psychology.psychotherapy, alt.consciousness, talk.origins   
   From: RaanOne@One.org   
      
   The fact of the constancy of the speed of light had been experimentally   
   proven beyond a reasonable doubt.  It was the explanation for it that was   
   lacking until Einstein came up with one.  The relation by analogy to   
   apparent psychic events is marginal owing to the lack of any factual   
   evidence and the subjective interpretations that color the perceptions being   
   reported.  The fellow with the magnetic field helmet was at least getting   
   closer to establishing experimental fact.  If you want to think you are   
   being scientific then remember that all good scientists are above all else   
   skeptics.   
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   "rogerst"  wrote in message news:40E498A2.33DB@yahoo.com...   
   > Actually you guys there is someone famous in math, generally not read I   
   > know, who experienced the white light, BUT WHEN HE DIED, but when   
   > somebody much more famous than him died. Let me repeat it as I did at my   
   > site here : read past the short build-up.   
   >   
   >   
   > During the turn of the century some scientists conducted experiments   
   > hoping to discover the speed of light. Of course, it would be the same   
   > as sound, only much faster. They weren't looking for anything more,   
   > anything strange. But STRANGE CAME CALLING! They discovered the speed of   
   > light had the same speed no matter what the reference. Now anyone with   
   > an understanding of physics knew that was impossible. And where was that   
   > damm ether they just knew had to permeate all space??   
   >   
   > Speed of Light was a constant- no matter what reference? Shouldn't be,   
   > but was. No ether, but light was a wave, every wave needed a medium to   
   > travel through, so ether had to exist..but DIDN'T. Another shouldn't be.   
   > But there was an over-educated little Jewish patent clerk. Poor student,   
   > low grades. Destined for failure. Why? Just ask any of his teachers.   
   > They would tell you just why he was just a patent clerk.   
   >   
   > And he was smart enough to accept a weird universe with impossible laws.   
   > Like the speed of light being a constant. Some of the others were too   
   > busy trying to figure out what went wrong with the experiment. But he   
   > persisted and there went E=M * C-squared. All because he accepted what   
   > others COULDN'T.   
   >   
   >   
   > Now today, it is the same today with another observation. One which   
   > can't be repeated. One which has to be taken on faith. But one, if it   
   > pans out will open another new door. One other point before I forget. So   
   > like me these days. The people who debunk NDEs, claiming to explain it   
   > away with brain chemistry gone wild in a dying brain, neglecting NDErs   
   > seem to come back when they are told to come back, neglect they were not   
   > in a state of denial, but thought themselves dead, neglect the state   
   > wasn't chaotic, but with crystal clarity, neglect the odds of many   
   > people having the same exact experience, neglect that NDEs see only only   
   > dead, not live people, and neglect they don't know what they are talking   
   > about.   
   >   
   > BUT HERE IS ONE THEY CAN"T EXPLAIN!   
   >   
   > Rudy Rucker was a student studying mathematics at Rutgers in the 1970s.   
   > Set theory. But let him tell it from his book, Infinity and the Mind. It   
   > is no New Age book, its a book on set theory. But in it, he took time   
   > out to explain his own experience with Godel.   
   >   
   > He had the rare opportunity to meet and talk math with Godel. That is   
   > like discussing physics with Einstein. Godel was a giant in mathematics.   
   > It was a rare privilege. Godel was at the time living at Princeton   
   > University.   
   >   
   > Well, let me get back to Rudy.   
   >   
   > You see, when someone experiences a NDE, you can makes claims about   
   > their dying brain. But what about a healthy young mathematician who   
   > experienced the white light, not when he was dying, but when someone   
   > else was dying. This is your......damm light travels at the same speed   
   > no matter what, but this time in dreams and that famous White Light.   
   > Metaphysics, not physics. With the metaphysical realm deeper into   
   > reality. No surprise. Now if you accept it and try to explain   
   > it..ahhh...new insights.   
   >   
   > Play a modern Einstein.   
   > But this time its a mental light you're trying to understand.   
   >   
   > Rudy, "I dreamed I was at his bedside. There was a chessboard on the   
   > covers on front of him. Godel reached his hand out and knocked the board   
   > over, tipping the men onto the floor. The chessboard expanded into an   
   > infinite mathematical plane. And then that, too, vanished. There was a   
   > brief play of symbols, and then emptiness-an emptiness flooded with even   
   > white light. The next day I learned Kurt Godel was dead."   
   >   
   >   
   >   
   > Well? PLAY EINSTEIN AND FIGURE IT OUT!   
   >   
   > Can you figure out what Kurt Godel was telling Rudy Rucker about the   
   > nature of   
   > reality?   
   >   
      
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