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   From: KimbaWLionATaolDOTcom@127.0.0.1   
      
   "Raan"  wrote:   
      
   >It is the interpretations that need   
   >proving and until a provable interpretation is offered none of it means much   
   >of anything and its just a matter of belief, nothing more.   
      
   Going beyond belief would probably include research and in if you had read   
   the literature on the subject you would have discovered that "near death"   
   is in fact a misnomer, but we're stuck with it. These experiences   
   generally involve real, clinical death with later reviving. No one seems   
   to have come up with a catchy term that means died, but alive again.   
      
   At the point of death, consciousness separates from the body and that's   
   when the so-called "supernatural" phenomena are experienced. Those who   
   claim that drugs can reproduce the NDE are misled by the similar-sounding   
   natures of the two experiences. Our language is woefully inadequate for   
   describing things of a spiritual nature.   
      
   To get a full picture of what goes on in an NDE (besides actually having   
   one), one needs to look beyond the NDE and correlate it with other psychic   
   and spiritual experiences. There really is a big picture that makes   
   logical sense.   
      
      
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