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   CAndersen (Kimba) to Raan   
   Re: Are these experiences real?   
   15 Aug 04 14:07:19   
   
   XPost: sci.psychology.psychotherapy, alt.consciousness, talk.origins   
   From: KimbaWLionATaolDOTcom@127.0.0.1   
      
   "Raan"  wrote:   
      
   > I suggest you rethink your assumptions.   
      
   I have, for many years.   
      
   On the other hand, you approach the subject without even bothering to find   
   out what the term "near-death experience" means. You then proceed to   
   define it to suit your way of thinking, assume things about drug-induced   
   experiences and NDEs, apply the label "fantasy" to things you know nothing   
   about, and then complain about other people making "assumptions".   
      
   It's pointless to continue talking to you. You have constructed your own   
   conclusions, now you're just looking for ways to justify them. You will   
   reject without any consideration anything that doesn't reinforce them.   
   I've been down this road many times with others, and it's boring as hell.   
   Come back when you manage to work up some actual curiosity.   
      
      
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