XPost: sci.psychology.psychotherapy, alt.consciousness, talk.origins   
   From: RaanOne@One.org   
      
   "CAndersen (Kimba)"  wrote in message   
   news:la6oh0h6t3mvm8ir7e0lms0317sc2c4jtu@4ax.com...   
   > "Raan"  wrote:   
   >   
   > >It is the interpretations that need   
   > >proving and until a provable interpretation is offered none of it means   
   much   
   > >of anything and its just a matter of belief, nothing more.   
   >   
   > Going beyond belief would probably include research and in if you had read   
   > the literature on the subject you would have discovered that "near death"   
   > is in fact a misnomer, but we're stuck with it. These experiences   
   > generally involve real, clinical death with later reviving. No one seems   
   > to have come up with a catchy term that means died, but alive again.   
   >   
   > At the point of death, consciousness separates from the body and that's   
   > when the so-called "supernatural" phenomena are experienced. Those who   
   > claim that drugs can reproduce the NDE are misled by the similar-sounding   
   > natures of the two experiences. Our language is woefully inadequate for   
   > describing things of a spiritual nature.   
   >   
   > To get a full picture of what goes on in an NDE (besides actually having   
   > one), one needs to look beyond the NDE and correlate it with other psychic   
   > and spiritual experiences. There really is a big picture that makes   
   > logical sense.   
   >   
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   > Reply address munged. You can figure it out.   
   >   
      
   You arbitrary disdain experiences induces by psychedelics yet your last   
   sentence would tend to validate such experiences since they do indeed   
   correlate with NDE.  As for a big picture that makes logical sense, any   
   fantasy scenario can have an internal consistent logic to it without   
   therefor making it true.  What is it after all you are calling spiritual?  I   
   suggest you rethink your assumptions.   
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