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   From: RaanOne@One.org   
      
   "Floyd"  wrote in message   
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   > "Raan"  wrote in message   
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   > > "Card XII"  wrote in message   
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   > > >   
   > > > "Raan"  wrote in message   
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   > > > > The experiences are real.   
   > > > > Your descriptions imply interpretations assumed to be factual and it   
   is   
   > >  your   
   > > > > interpretations that are at issue.  Try a statistical analysis and   
   look   
   > >  at   
   > > > > the many cases where some vivid sign occurred but it amounted to   
   nothing   
   > > > > later.  Be sure to factor in human nature what you are at it.   
   > > > > --   
   > > > >                >   
   > > > >   
   > > > > "Paul Allen Panks"  wrote in message   
   > > > > news:caqt1l$550$1@chessie.cirr.com...   
   > > > > > I wanted to share my story with your audience. I believe it is a   
   > > > > > fascinating story about my encounters with the spirit world. I   
   have no   
   > > > > > adequate explanation for them, nor do my parents. I'm not sure   
   what   
   > > > > > they represent, or if they are hallucinations, but they appear   
   real.   
   > > > > >   
   > > > > > I am at a loss to explain why I have seen angels, ghosts, UFOs and   
   > > > > > disincarnated entities for over 7 years now. Such entities have   
   > >  included:   
   > > > > >   
   > > > > > [a] Allen, my father's father.   
   > > > > >   
   > > > > > [b] Jeff Moritz, the former Flagstaff Peace Officer.   
   > > > > >   
   > > > > > [c] Robert Martin, the former DPS Peace Officer.   
   > > > > >   
   > > > > > [c] Ann, my mother's mother and my grandmother.   
   > > > > >   
   > > > > > [d] James, my mother's father and my grandfather.   
   > > > > >   
   > > > > > [e] "Susan", a guardian angel who first visited me in October   
   1995.   
   > > > > >   
   > > > > > [f] A Siberian Husky, who first appeared the evening my   
   grandmother   
   > > > > >     past away (in late-July 2002)   
   > > > > >   
   > > > > > [g] My unborn daughter, who has appeared frequently since October   
   > >  2000.   
   > > > > >   
   > > > > > [h] Lindsey Chainhalt, who first appeared to me last month.   
   > > > > >   
   > > > > > [i] John Candy, the comedian from various movies   
   > > > > >   
   > > > > > [j] Walter Payton, the NFL athlete from the Chicago Bears   
   > > > > >   
   > > > > > [k] An untold number of ghosts and other apparitions, usually in   
   > > > > >     graveyards, cemeteries and sometimes during church.   
   > > > > >   
   > > > > > [l] At least three distinct encounters with angels, two in   
   Flagstaff   
   > >  and   
   > > > > >     one while in Paradise Valley.   
   > > > > >   
   > > > > > [m] One unknown UFO encounter, August 2000, flying overhead   
   > > > > >     south-southwest at a low altitude, absolutely silent and with   
   no   
   > > > > >     engine noise whatsoever.   
   > > > > >   
   > > > > > These UFOs flew in formation to form a "triangle", at least seven   
   of   
   > >  them   
   > > > > > were present and they distinctly resembled flying saucers seen on   
   > > > > > television shows and other UFO reports worldwide.   
   > > > > >   
   > > > > > I have also experienced at least two OBEs and one NDE, where I   
   entered   
   > > > > > into a bright light and was shown flashes of my life while on   
   earth.   
   > >  This   
   > > > > > transpired while I had briefly fallen asleep, and then I was   
   returned   
   > >  to   
   > > > > > my body at the top of my head, to which I received a tremendous   
   jolt   
   > >  and   
   > > > > > gasped for breath. When I finally became oriented again, I felt   
   tense   
   > >  and   
   > > > > > not relieved at all. I did not discuss this with anyone because I   
   felt   
   > >  I   
   > > > > > was losing my mind, or part of my mind.   
   > > > > >   
   > > > > > Additionally, I experienced a vision in a dream-like state in   
   which an   
   > > > > > angel with a flowing gown brought my unborn daughter to my side,   
   and   
   > >  asked   
   > > > > > her when she would like to come to Earth. She was unsure, so the   
   angel   
   > > > > > smiled at me and they reentered the light and then the vision and   
   > >  dream   
   > > > > > faded away into oblivion.   
   > > > > >   
   > > > > > In July of 2002, right before my grandmother passed away, I had a   
   > >  strange   
   > > > > > dream in which a funeral was taking place and I saw a rose-wood   
   coffin   
   > >  in   
   > > > > > the center of a church. There were many people there, and Nana (my   
   > > > > > grandmother) was lying in the casket holding a black rose. This   
   was   
   > > > > > exactly one week prior to when she did pass away, in July 2002.   
   > > > > >   
   > > > > > As well as the Siberian Husky encounter, I went on a walk the day   
   of   
   > >  her   
   > > > > > passing and she kept trying to communicate to me during my long   
   walk   
   > > > > > around Flagstaff. I walked from my apartment complex over to   
   Target,   
   > >  and   
   > > > > > then around the graveyard near the back of target (I usually   
   prayed at   
   > >  the   
   > > > > > statue of Jesus and Mary in the back of the graveyard; I believe   
   it is   
   > > > > > called "Cavalry Cemetery").   
   > > > > >   
   > > > > > When I prayed there, I asked Nana for help and advice. She said   
   that   
   > >  she   
   > > > > > "loved me", and asked that I go to the end of a long road, near a   
   > >  bench,   
   > >  and   
   > > > > > there I would find a gift. I followed her instructions (she   
   sounded   
   > >  very   
   > > > > > far away, and I could barely understand her), I went to the bench   
   I   
   > > > > > thought she was telling me about and found a Cabbage Patch doll   
   > >  sitting   
   > >  on   
   > > > > > the bench. It was a simple Cabbage Patch doll, wearing a yellow   
   outfit   
   > >  and   
   > > > > > diapers. It must have rained recently, because the bench was still   
   > >  soggy   
   > > > > > and the doll was as well. I went home and told my friend about   
   > > > > > this, and we took the doll home. In fact, I still have the doll to   
   > > > > > this day. I'm not sure why my grandmother led me to this doll, or   
   what   
   > > > > > significance it has in my life (if any).   
   > > > > >   
   > > > > > In September of 2003, I also had another dream, in which I was   
   walking   
   > > > > > through Nana and Hoppo's house looking for them. The entire house   
   was   
   > >  void   
   > > > > > of people, and as I was looking around, I remember in the dream   
   that I   
   > > > > > looked up at the grandfather clock in the living room and it   
   struck 9   
   > >  p.m.   
   > > > > > As it was sounding the chimes, the phone rang in the dream, and I   
   > >  rushed   
   > > > > > to pick it up. No one was there, however.   
   > > > > >   
   > > > > > In a later dream, just before my grandfather, James, passed away,   
   > > > > > I had yet another dream in which my grandmother tried to call me   
   on   
   > >  the   
   > > > > > telephone and was attempting to explain something to me, but I   
   > >  couldn't   
      
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