XPost: sci.psychology.psychotherapy, alt.consciousness, talk.origins   
   From: olv368@aol.com   
      
   Raan wrote:   
   >   
   > "CAndersen (Kimba)"  wrote in message   
   > news:la6oh0h6t3mvm8ir7e0lms0317sc2c4jtu@4ax.com...   
   > > "Raan"  wrote:   
   > >   
   > > >It is the interpretations that need   
   > > >proving and until a provable interpretation is offered none of it means   
   > much   
   > > >of anything and its just a matter of belief, nothing more.   
   > >   
   > > Going beyond belief would probably include research and in if you had read   
   > > the literature on the subject you would have discovered that "near death"   
   > > is in fact a misnomer, but we're stuck with it. These experiences   
   > > generally involve real, clinical death with later reviving. No one seems   
   > > to have come up with a catchy term that means died, but alive again.   
   > >   
   > > At the point of death, consciousness separates from the body and that's   
   > > when the so-called "supernatural" phenomena are experienced. Those who   
   > > claim that drugs can reproduce the NDE are misled by the similar-sounding   
   > > natures of the two experiences. Our language is woefully inadequate for   
   > > describing things of a spiritual nature.   
   > >   
   > > To get a full picture of what goes on in an NDE (besides actually having   
   > > one), one needs to look beyond the NDE and correlate it with other psychic   
   > > and spiritual experiences. There really is a big picture that makes   
   > > logical sense.   
   > >   
   > >   
   > > --   
   > > Reply address munged. You can figure it out.   
   > >   
   >   
   > You arbitrary disdain experiences induces by psychedelics yet your last   
   > sentence would tend to validate such experiences since they do indeed   
   > correlate with NDE.  As for a big picture that makes logical sense, any   
   > fantasy scenario can have an internal consistent logic to it without   
   > therefor making it true.  What is it after all you are calling spiritual?  I   
   > suggest you rethink your assumptions.   
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   Raan you think like a mule.   
      
   'arbitrary disdain' - there wasn't any. You just made it up.   
      
   'fantasy scenario' ? - who is prejudging now?   
      
   'would have an internal consistent logic to it' ? Always, really? more   
   made up bullshit from you?   
      
   Raan you write like a lawyer. Pretty good in expressing a point and even   
   better at twisting the actual truth.   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)