XPost: sci.psychology.psychotherapy, alt.consciousness, talk.origins   
   From: RaanOne@One.org   
      
   "olive"  wrote in message news:412192E8.17BA@aol.com...   
   > Raan wrote:   
   > >   
   > > "CAndersen (Kimba)"  wrote in message   
   > > news:la6oh0h6t3mvm8ir7e0lms0317sc2c4jtu@4ax.com...   
   > > > "Raan"  wrote:   
   > > >   
   > > > >It is the interpretations that need   
   > > > >proving and until a provable interpretation is offered none of it   
   means   
   > > much   
   > > > >of anything and its just a matter of belief, nothing more.   
   > > >   
   > > > Going beyond belief would probably include research and in if you had   
   read   
   > > > the literature on the subject you would have discovered that "near   
   death"   
   > > > is in fact a misnomer, but we're stuck with it. These experiences   
   > > > generally involve real, clinical death with later reviving. No one   
   seems   
   > > > to have come up with a catchy term that means died, but alive again.   
   > > >   
   > > > At the point of death, consciousness separates from the body and   
   that's   
   > > > when the so-called "supernatural" phenomena are experienced. Those who   
   > > > claim that drugs can reproduce the NDE are misled by the   
   similar-sounding   
   > > > natures of the two experiences. Our language is woefully inadequate   
   for   
   > > > describing things of a spiritual nature.   
   > > >   
   > > > To get a full picture of what goes on in an NDE (besides actually   
   having   
   > > > one), one needs to look beyond the NDE and correlate it with other   
   psychic   
   > > > and spiritual experiences. There really is a big picture that makes   
   > > > logical sense.   
   > > >   
   > > >   
   > > > --   
   > > > Reply address munged. You can figure it out.   
   > > >   
   > >   
   > > You arbitrary disdain experiences induces by psychedelics yet your last   
   > > sentence would tend to validate such experiences since they do indeed   
   > > correlate with NDE.  As for a big picture that makes logical sense, any   
   > > fantasy scenario can have an internal consistent logic to it without   
   > > therefor making it true.  What is it after all you are calling   
   spiritual?  I   
   > > suggest you rethink your assumptions.   
   > > --   
   > >   
   >   
   >   
   > Raan you think like a mule.   
      
   No   
      
   > 'arbitrary disdain' - there wasn't any. You just made it up.   
      
   Yes there was   
      
   > 'fantasy scenario' ? - who is prejudging now?   
      
   You.   
      
   > 'would have an internal consistent logic to it' ? Always, really? more   
   > made up bullshit from you?   
      
   Who said any of this?   
      
   > Raan you write like a lawyer. Pretty good in expressing a point and even   
   > better at twisting the actual truth.   
      
   I'd say you were better but only you are persuaded.   
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