XPost: sci.psychology.psychotherapy, alt.consciousness, talk.origins
From: RaanOne@One.org
"olive" wrote in message news:41218DE2.29A4@aol.com...
> Raan wrote:
> >
> > The fact of the constancy of the speed of light had been experimentally
> > proven beyond a reasonable doubt. It was the explanation for it that
was
> > lacking until Einstein came up with one. The relation by analogy to
> > apparent psychic events is marginal owing to the lack of any factual
> > evidence and the subjective interpretations that color the perceptions
being
> > reported. The fellow with the magnetic field helmet was at least
getting
> > closer to establishing experimental fact. If you want to think you are
> > being scientific then remember that all good scientists are above all
else
> > skeptics.
> > --
>
>
> Raan you didn't understand the post at all, did you? It wasn't about the
> speed of light, but about learning to accept what seems to be the
> impossible when you're forced to face new objective facts.
You didn't understand my post, did you. It wasn't about the speed of light
but about explanations for verified phenomena.
> Einstein
> understood the lesson, you can't, even when it is pointed out to you by
> another.
Untrue. Where are the uninterpreted objective facts you refer to?
> Rudy was a young Phd. student in excellant health when he had his NDE
> dream about Godel dying that night. His young brain was in excellant
> shape with no reason for having any dream about Godel's death or the
> white light in it. GET THE POINT? It was easy enough for me.
What point is that? Ever had dreams of people dying who did not or have not
died since then? Human nature has us increase the significance of
coincidental mysterioue dream events while ignoring those other similar
events that never led to anything. His claim is far from constituting
verification for some sort of psychic event nor anything even seemingly
impossibile. It is lack of imagination that leads the ignorant and
credulous to leap to implausible descriptions when their limited capacity
cannot assimilate an unexplained event in any other way.
--
>
> > "rogerst" wrote in message
news:40E498A2.33DB@yahoo.com...
> > > Actually you guys there is someone famous in math, generally not read
I
> > > know, who experienced the white light, BUT WHEN HE DIED, but when
> > > somebody much more famous than him died. Let me repeat it as I did at
my
> > > site here : read past the short build-up.
> > >
> > >
> > > During the turn of the century some scientists conducted experiments
> > > hoping to discover the speed of light. Of course, it would be the same
> > > as sound, only much faster. They weren't looking for anything more,
> > > anything strange. But STRANGE CAME CALLING! They discovered the speed
of
> > > light had the same speed no matter what the reference. Now anyone with
> > > an understanding of physics knew that was impossible. And where was
that
> > > damm ether they just knew had to permeate all space??
> > >
> > > Speed of Light was a constant- no matter what reference? Shouldn't be,
> > > but was. No ether, but light was a wave, every wave needed a medium to
> > > travel through, so ether had to exist..but DIDN'T. Another shouldn't
be.
> > > But there was an over-educated little Jewish patent clerk. Poor
student,
> > > low grades. Destined for failure. Why? Just ask any of his teachers.
> > > They would tell you just why he was just a patent clerk.
> > >
> > > And he was smart enough to accept a weird universe with impossible
laws.
> > > Like the speed of light being a constant. Some of the others were too
> > > busy trying to figure out what went wrong with the experiment. But he
> > > persisted and there went E=M * C-squared. All because he accepted what
> > > others COULDN'T.
> > >
> > >
> > > Now today, it is the same today with another observation. One which
> > > can't be repeated. One which has to be taken on faith. But one, if it
> > > pans out will open another new door. One other point before I forget.
So
> > > like me these days. The people who debunk NDEs, claiming to explain it
> > > away with brain chemistry gone wild in a dying brain, neglecting NDErs
> > > seem to come back when they are told to come back, neglect they were
not
> > > in a state of denial, but thought themselves dead, neglect the state
> > > wasn't chaotic, but with crystal clarity, neglect the odds of many
> > > people having the same exact experience, neglect that NDEs see only
only
> > > dead, not live people, and neglect they don't know what they are
talking
> > > about.
> > >
> > > BUT HERE IS ONE THEY CAN"T EXPLAIN!
> > >
> > > Rudy Rucker was a student studying mathematics at Rutgers in the
1970s.
> > > Set theory. But let him tell it from his book, Infinity and the Mind.
It
> > > is no New Age book, its a book on set theory. But in it, he took time
> > > out to explain his own experience with Godel.
> > >
> > > He had the rare opportunity to meet and talk math with Godel. That is
> > > like discussing physics with Einstein. Godel was a giant in
mathematics.
> > > It was a rare privilege. Godel was at the time living at Princeton
> > > University.
> > >
> > > Well, let me get back to Rudy.
> > >
> > > You see, when someone experiences a NDE, you can makes claims about
> > > their dying brain. But what about a healthy young mathematician who
> > > experienced the white light, not when he was dying, but when someone
> > > else was dying. This is your......damm light travels at the same speed
> > > no matter what, but this time in dreams and that famous White Light.
> > > Metaphysics, not physics. With the metaphysical realm deeper into
> > > reality. No surprise. Now if you accept it and try to explain
> > > it..ahhh...new insights.
> > >
> > > Play a modern Einstein.
> > > But this time its a mental light you're trying to understand.
> > >
> > > Rudy, "I dreamed I was at his bedside. There was a chessboard on the
> > > covers on front of him. Godel reached his hand out and knocked the
board
> > > over, tipping the men onto the floor. The chessboard expanded into an
> > > infinite mathematical plane. And then that, too, vanished. There was a
> > > brief play of symbols, and then emptiness-an emptiness flooded with
even
> > > white light. The next day I learned Kurt Godel was dead."
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Well? PLAY EINSTEIN AND FIGURE IT OUT!
> > >
> > > Can you figure out what Kurt Godel was telling Rudy Rucker about the
> > > nature of
> > > reality?
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