XPost: sci.psychology.psychotherapy, alt.consciousness, talk.origins
From: sfct@aol.com
Von Smith wrote:
>
> olive wrote in message news:<41218DE2.29A4@aol.com>...
> > Raan wrote:
> > >
> > > The fact of the constancy of the speed of light had been experimentally
> > > proven beyond a reasonable doubt. It was the explanation for it that was
> > > lacking until Einstein came up with one. The relation by analogy to
> > > apparent psychic events is marginal owing to the lack of any factual
> > > evidence and the subjective interpretations that color the perceptions
being
> > > reported. The fellow with the magnetic field helmet was at least getting
> > > closer to establishing experimental fact. If you want to think you are
> > > being scientific then remember that all good scientists are above all
else
> > > skeptics.
> > > --
> > > >
> > >
> > > "rogerst" wrote in message news:40E498A2.3
DB@yahoo.com...
> > > > Actually you guys there is someone famous in math, generally not read I
> > > > know, who experienced the white light, BUT WHEN HE DIED, but when
> > > > somebody much more famous than him died. Let me repeat it as I did at
my
> > > > site here : read past the short build-up.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > During the turn of the century some scientists conducted experiments
> > > > hoping to discover the speed of light. Of course, it would be the same
> > > > as sound, only much faster. They weren't looking for anything more,
> > > > anything strange. But STRANGE CAME CALLING! They discovered the speed
of
> > > > light had the same speed no matter what the reference. Now anyone with
> > > > an understanding of physics knew that was impossible. And where was
that
> > > > damm ether they just knew had to permeate all space??
> > > >
> > > > Speed of Light was a constant- no matter what reference? Shouldn't be,
> > > > but was. No ether, but light was a wave, every wave needed a medium to
> > > > travel through, so ether had to exist..but DIDN'T. Another shouldn't
be.
> > > > But there was an over-educated little Jewish patent clerk. Poor
student,
> > > > low grades. Destined for failure. Why? Just ask any of his teachers.
> > > > They would tell you just why he was just a patent clerk.
> > > >
> > > > And he was smart enough to accept a weird universe with impossible
laws.
> > > > Like the speed of light being a constant. Some of the others were too
> > > > busy trying to figure out what went wrong with the experiment. But he
> > > > persisted and there went E=M * C-squared. All because he accepted what
> > > > others COULDN'T.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Now today, it is the same today with another observation. One which
> > > > can't be repeated. One which has to be taken on faith. But one, if it
> > > > pans out will open another new door. One other point before I forget.
So
> > > > like me these days. The people who debunk NDEs, claiming to explain it
> > > > away with brain chemistry gone wild in a dying brain, neglecting NDErs
> > > > seem to come back when they are told to come back, neglect they were
not
> > > > in a state of denial, but thought themselves dead, neglect the state
> > > > wasn't chaotic, but with crystal clarity, neglect the odds of many
> > > > people having the same exact experience, neglect that NDEs see only
only
> > > > dead, not live people, and neglect they don't know what they are
talking
> > > > about.
> > > >
> > > > BUT HERE IS ONE THEY CAN"T EXPLAIN!
> > > >
> > > > Rudy Rucker was a student studying mathematics at Rutgers in the 1970s.
> > > > Set theory. But let him tell it from his book, Infinity and the Mind.
It
> > > > is no New Age book, its a book on set theory. But in it, he took time
> > > > out to explain his own experience with Godel.
> > > >
> > > > He had the rare opportunity to meet and talk math with Godel. That is
> > > > like discussing physics with Einstein. Godel was a giant in
mathematics.
> > > > It was a rare privilege. Godel was at the time living at Princeton
> > > > University.
> > > >
> > > > Well, let me get back to Rudy.
> > > >
> > > > You see, when someone experiences a NDE, you can makes claims about
> > > > their dying brain. But what about a healthy young mathematician who
> > > > experienced the white light, not when he was dying, but when someone
> > > > else was dying. This is your......damm light travels at the same speed
> > > > no matter what, but this time in dreams and that famous White Light.
> > > > Metaphysics, not physics. With the metaphysical realm deeper into
> > > > reality. No surprise. Now if you accept it and try to explain
> > > > it..ahhh...new insights.
> > > >
> > > > Play a modern Einstein.
> > > > But this time its a mental light you're trying to understand.
> > > >
> > > > Rudy, "I dreamed I was at his bedside. There was a chessboard on the
> > > > covers on front of him. Godel reached his hand out and knocked the
board
> > > > over, tipping the men onto the floor. The chessboard expanded into an
> > > > infinite mathematical plane. And then that, too, vanished. There was a
> > > > brief play of symbols, and then emptiness-an emptiness flooded with
even
> > > > white light. The next day I learned Kurt Godel was dead."
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Well? PLAY EINSTEIN AND FIGURE IT OUT!
> > > >
> > > > Can you figure out what Kurt Godel was telling Rudy Rucker about the
> > > > nature of
> > > > reality?
> > > >
> >
> >
> >
> > Raan you didn't understand the post at all, did you? It wasn't about the
> > speed of light, but about learning to accept what seems to be the
> > impossible when you're forced to face new objective facts. Einstein
> > understood the lesson, you can't, even when it is pointed out to you by
> > another.
> >
> > Rudy was a young Phd. student in excellant health when he had his NDE
> > dream about Godel dying that night. His young brain was in excellant
> > shape with no reason for having any dream about Godel's death or the
> > white light in it. GET THE POINT? It was easy enough for me.
>
> I haven't been following this thread for long, but when did NDEs
> become expanded to include any dream that includes an element of white
> light? By that standard I have had a few NDEs myself.
> And I don't see in the passage you quote where Rudy had a dream about
> Goedel dying. He had a dream about him knocking over a chessboard.
> I'm sure if Goedel had gotten better, Rudy could have decided
> afterwords that the dream was somehow a premonition of that, too.
>
> Von Smith
> Fortuna nimis dat multis, satis nulli.
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Von Smith huh? I bet.
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