XPost: sci.psychology.psychotherapy, alt.consciousness, talk.origins   
   From: RaanOne@One.org   
      
   "Kermit"  wrote in message   
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   > stevefct  wrote in message news:<4124AED4.4143@aol.com>...   
   > > Raan wrote:   
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   > > > "stevefct"  wrote in message   
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   > > > > Raan wrote:   
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   > > > > > "olive"  wrote in message   
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   > > > > > > Raan wrote:   
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   > > > It is your view that is limited since you cannot even imagine how   
   > > > statistically, prophetic dreams seldom do in fact result in any actual   
   > > > occurrence so that when one dream seems to do so you are limited to   
   thinking   
   > > > it to be some sort of proof of anything.  If I have an agenda it is to   
   > > > prevent idiotic believe based prejudice from running rampant.  It   
   seems to   
   > > > me that you are the one with an agenda hoping to advocate your own   
   precious   
   > > > idealistic beliefs and avoid the facts of reality as they do in fact   
   present   
   > > > themselves daily.   
   > > > --   
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   > >   
   > >   
   > >  I answered your questions under Von Smith's post. This is getting too   
   > > confusing for the average reader. It is way too sloppy. Why would anyone   
   > > waste his time trying to read it.   
   >   
   > Some of us have a morbid attraction to car accidents and certain   
   > threads.   
   >   
   > >   
   > > Also, can't you understand my points? You argue some points I didn't   
   > > make and miss many of the ones I did make. Did I get too deep for you?   
   >   
   > Doesn't appear that way to this lurker.   
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   > >   
   > > So how is your agenda in keeping the public from learning how to harness   
   > > their latent ESP abilities going?   
   >   
   > What latent ESP abilities?   
   >   
   > > Are they scaring you yet? It will be   
   > > hard to keep your secrets from them sooner or later. You know they'll   
   > > judge you on what you've been doing in secret. Feeling secure behind   
   > > closed doors.   
   >   
   > An imagination unleavened by reality is not necessarily a good thing.   
   > Do you lie awake at night, imagining these anti-ESP conspiracies? Or   
   > did you pay somebody your hard-earned cash for a book which told you   
   > about these plots?   
   >   
   > >   
   > > By the way, did you know emotional bonding is very important to   
   > > establish ESP links between souls?   
   >   
   > It doesn't surprise me at all that emotional bonds are statistically   
   > linked to dreams, thought, and feelings about a person.   
   >   
   > What ESP links?   
   >   
   > > That is why you always hear of people   
   > > having dreams or feelings about loved ones being in trouble, and not   
   > > with strangers or people they dislike.   
   >   
   > We worry about our loved ones. Is this supposed to be a revelation?   
   > How many of these worried dreams and thoughts are *not associated with   
   > tragic events? I dreamt about my cat getting lost in the city last   
   > week. Guess what? She's still around; not lost.   
   >   
   > > You know Raan, keeping this   
   > > factor out of the testing for ESP is no longer possible. Too many know   
   > > now.   
   > >   
   >   
   > Believe it or not, many of us skeptics would *love for there to be ET   
   > visitors, ESP abilities, life after death, significantly prolonged   
   > life, remarkable martial arts abilities, etc. But we just don't see   
   > any evidence yet. Folks who surrender to wishful thinking and don't   
   > want to hear about statistics sadden or annoy us, but do not impress   
   > us.   
   >   
   > > Tsh, tsh, what will you and your kind do soon to protect themselves from   
   > > public judgement? Why nothing at all.   
   >   
   > I cannot speak for others. It's reality I am concerned about, not the   
   > court of public opinion. Especially if you are talking about the court   
   > that believes in angels, but can't find Iraq on a map, can't read a   
   > tape measure, and don't know if the Earth orbits the sun or vice versa   
   > (never mind discussing a common center of gravity or the three-body   
   > problem).   
   >   
   > Wallow in self-deception all you want. I'll believe when I see   
   > persuasive evidence for it.   
   >   
   > Kermit   
      
       I must say I am impressed, especially when you referred to the "common   
   center of gravity" and "three-body problem" when you facetiously made   
   comment about knowing if the solar system is geocentric or heliocentric.  A   
   good sign that you are indeed a true skeptic, as opposed to a closed-minded   
   cynic or an unbelieving "pseudo-skeptic".   
       In case you hadn't discovered it yet:  www.csicop.org  There is a   
   newsletter http://www.csicop.org/list/  you can subscribe to and there are   
   also others from different sources.   
       "Belief is the enemy."   
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