From: suzych@swcp.com
You know, i wonder if some of this is really about being suddenly forced
into intimate contact, in a life-threatening emergency, with one's own
soul -- that is, the personality (which is linked to the body and its
survival concerns) gets displaced and one is left with the pure spirit,
and for that spirit, death is a trifle, something that has been gone
through many times before and that serves merely as punctuation. Hence,
no anxiety, and a glimpse of the positive, peaceful acceptance that the
pure spirit presumably enjoys. Then, if life continues after all,
personality takes charge again, since its main job is to run what
matters to it most -- physical survival. Once the body is gone, the
personality also is discarded, so the interests there are united.
Just a notion.
C
In article <412C31FA.6F3E@aol.com>, sfct@aol.com wrote:
> B Walker wrote:
> >
> > Steve S. wrote:
> > > My father, who was an adamant atheist and materialist, died
> > > clinically on
> > > the operating table. He also experienced a profound sense of peace
> > > without
> > > pain. Afterwards, he didn't change his philosophy outwardly, but he
> > > was a
> > > bit more respectful of other beliefs than he was before.
> > >
> > > I disagree that this is (only) endorphins or a purely physical
> > > phenomenon. I
> > > think this is a variation on the NDE experience. I don't think it's
> > > an
> > > "either/or" issue--"either/or" thinking is part of the old paradigm,
> > > which
> > > also includes materialism and reductionism.
> > > Steve S.
> >
> > Well, it certainly is interesting to say the least. I think the
> > possible reason it might have been just endorphins is that I got pretty
> > much the same feeling much later when I low sided my motorcycle.. as I
> > was sliding down the road in a shower of sparks.. I just felt kinda
> > peacefull... really kinda weird.
> >
> > Oh the other hand perhaps that's just the only bit I can remember.
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > "B Walker" wrote in message
> > > news:41122DA7.9080403@yahoo.com...
> > >
> > >>I saw reference to this group on the net somewhere along the line,
> > >>thought I'd pop in and share my experience.. I'm not entirely sure it
> > >>qualifies as NDE and I don't remember very much at all.
> > >>
> > >>2/14/1989 I suffered severe head injuries in an accident, according
> > >>to
> > >>my parents the doctor said my heart had stopped (they don't remember
> > >>exactly how long, it was minutes but 1 or 2 or 5.. they aren't sure).
> > >> I
> > >>never pursued getting any documents related to this as quite frankly
> > >>I
> > >>don't think it really matters much.
> > >>
> > >>All I can remember is an overriding feeling of peace, I think I was
> > >>perfectly ready to go.. no tunnel.. no light.. no voices.. Kind of
> > >>like
> > >>pre-dawn in the middle of an empty desert.
> > >>
> > >>Woke up 7 days later and the above is all I can remember. I do know
> > >>that I recaptured that feeling once, low sided a motorcycle on a
> > >>canyon
> > >>road at about 45mph and as I was sliding down the road.. I felt the
> > >>same
> > >>peace.
> > >>
> > >>Pretty much a life changing experience in a variety of ways, most of
> > >>which are difficult to express.
> > >>
> > >>--
> > >>DoD# 2223, OFCC #3122
> > >>Meum scapha volitare plenum anguillae
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> > --
> > DoD# 2223, OFCC #3122
> > Meum scapha volitare plenum anguillae
>
>
>
> I has my own NDE and yes it was quite peaceful. But I also lift weights,
> a lot, and I'm well aware of how brain feels when endorphin production
> goes into over drive. Both are peaceful, but both are also very
> different in feelings.
>
> A whisky high doesn't feel like a coke high. A lsd high doesn't feel
> like a pot high. And an endorphin feeling doesn't feel like a NDE
> feeling.
--
Crow
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