XPost: sci.psychology.psychotherapy, alt.consciousness, talk.origins   
   From: mightymartianca@hotmail.com   
      
   Nick Keighley wrote:   
   > "Raan"  wrote in message news:...   
   >   
   >>"Nick Keighley"  wrote in message   
   >>news:aed14a74.0408281538.2cf45017@posting.google.com...   
   >>   
   >>>"Raan"  wrote in message   
   >>>news:...   
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   >   
   >>>>Never before have our challenges been so great.  Never has your support   
   >>>>been so important.   
   >>>>   
   >>>>Secular humanism offers an alternative to dogmatism.   
   >>>   
   >>>the trouble is, posts like yours lead us to believe that "secular   
   >>   
   >> humanism"   
   >>   
   >>>*is* dogmatism.   
   >>>   
   >>>   
   >>   
   >>How do you figure that and why do I need to ask this since you could just as   
   >>well have explained yourself.   
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   >   
   > I suspect since you have to ask that you won't agree. Your original post   
   > sounds like preaching. You even ask for money at the end!   
   >   
   > You try to conflate "science and reason" with "secularism and humanism".   
   >   
   > I find the statement "Much of the progress of the twentieth century can be   
   > directly attributed to the rise of secularism and humanism" contentious.   
      
   I'd say a growing secularism has had a lot to do with increasing   
   tolerance.  As to the humanism claim, well, frankly, I don't think it's   
   even a blip on the radar.   
      
   One must note that this individual, like his theistic counterparts of   
   similar mood, appears to equate secularism with atheism.  There are   
   plenty of people of faith who are secularists, because they know it's   
   the only way to preserve religious liberties for all (themselves included).   
      
   For myself, I have no time for secular humanist clubs, even if they give   
   out neat beanies.  My primary interest is simply to have people worry a   
   lot less about what their fellow humans believe or don't believe.   
      
   >   
   > I'm left wondering if you had religious upbringing.   
      
   My suspicion also.   
      
   --   
   Aaron Clausen   
   mightymartianca@hotmail.com   
      
   WOODY: How's it going Mr. Peterson?   
   NORM : It's a dog eat dog world out there, Woody, and I'm wearing   
           milkbone underwear.   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)