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   Message 1,796 of 2,497   
   Raan to Nick Keighley   
   Re: Council for Secular Humanism   
   30 Aug 04 14:35:38   
   
   XPost: sci.psychology.psychotherapy, alt.consciousness, talk.origins   
   From: RaanOne@One.org   
      
   "Nick Keighley"  wrote in message   
   news:aed14a74.0408300511.7e87caa5@posting.google.com...   
   > AC  wrote in message   
   news:<2pfv4fFkcln9U1@uni-berlin.de>...   
   > > Raan wrote:   
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   > > > My view is that belief is not even to be tolerated let alone respected   
   but   
   > > > to be reviled and avoided as with an illness, and those so afflicted   
   pitied   
   > > > and if possible, treated.  Belief is the root cause of all suffering.   
   Look   
   > > > into it.   
   > >   
   > > I'm well aware of your view.  It's bigotry, pure and simple.  It is the   
   > > same mentality that allows some theist to come along and say atheists   
   > > are immoral.   
   > >   
   > > My atheism is no more supportable than the Pope's theism.  I consider it   
   > > a rational position, but not a scientific one.  The root of humanity's   
   > > problems is arrogant individuals like yourself who have fixated upon   
   > > absolutes to the point where empathy and common cause with other people   
   > > of differing world views are impossible.   
   > >   
   > > You're a fundemenatlist atheist, just as intellectually diseased and   
   > > morally perverted as your theistic counterparts.   
   > >   
   > > I think I have a unique vantage on this, being married to a Catholic.  I   
   > > don't agree with my wife's beliefs, and find her faith perplexing at   
   > > times, but you know what, that's her right, and neither I, you or any   
   > > other self-righteous bastard with a chip on their shoulder has any right   
   > > to take that away from her.   
   > >   
   > > Learn a little respect, and quit blaming theism for the underlying   
   > > problems of xenophic, hairless apes who use any goddamn excuse to mop   
   > > the floor with the other guy.  How can I stand up to someone like Uncle   
   > > Davey and say "I'm an atheist, and I'm not your enemy", when some   
   > > evangelical like yourself is going around doing exactly what they want.   
   >   
   > what he said. I think what bugs me is that people like Raan purports to   
   > speak on behalf of me (non-theist).   
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   > --   
   > Nick Keighley   
      
   I don't even know you.   
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