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   stevefct to All   
   Re: Getthe point? (1/4)   
   31 Aug 04 05:49:09   
   
   XPost: sci.psychology.psychotherapy, alt.consciousness, talk.origins   
   From: sfct@aol.com   
      
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   > >                    SATAN'S KINGDOM DIVIDED AGAINST ITSELF   
   > >                ___________________________________________   
   > >   
   > >       So Jesus told us that Satan's kingdom suffered from the inherent   
   > > problem of being divided against itself. How so? And what does it really   
   > > mean? If God   
   > > truly is a composite mind created from the left brains in Mankind, thus   
   > > controlling our glorious right hands[kidding], and Satan is another   
   > > composite mind of all the right brains in Mankind, how does this cause   
   > > Satan any problems?   
   > >   
   >   
   > Wait, wait. You haven't explained the role of the hippocampus, the   
   > corpus collassum, the glial cells compared to the neurons, the way   
   > paths are reinforced or waste away thru use or disuse, the cerebrum,   
   > the...   
   >   
   > >       Which brain carries our language skills? The left brain.   
   >   
   > We only have one brain. Your view of it is hopelessly simplistic, to   
   > the point of being wrong. The hemisphers are not autonomous monoliths.   
   > The brain has many areas with different functions, all interacting in   
   > multiple ways.   
   >   
   > The parietal lobe in the left hemisphere deals with understanding the   
   > spoken and written language, but it is hardly the whole story. Nor is   
   > it the whole hemisphere.   
   >   
   > > Language is   
   > > for social organization and communicating with our fellow members of the   
   > > species.   
   >   
   > How about body language? Smell? Emotions?   
   >   
   > > So which brain would tend to have greater social skills and   
   > > intelligence? Left brain, right? So which brain uses its hand to greet a   
   > > stranger? Which hand do we   
   > > shake hands with? Our right hand which is controlled by the left brain.   
   > > Simple. Remember all that sinister left hand stuff?   
   >   
   > Why do you think the left parietal lobe has anything to do with motor   
   > skill dominance?   
   >   
   > >   
   > >       So which brain might be better suited to house a more egotistical   
   view   
   > > of ourselves and the world? Right brain, why not? But the stronger we   
   > > sense   
   > > ourselves in ourselves as individuals the more we might be inclined to   
   > > favor ourselves in regards to others whenever a conflict of interests   
   > > occur.   
   >   
   > Do you have *any data to even suggest this? You have made   
   > multipleleaps to get, including several assertions which are   
   > demonstrably wrong.   
   >   
   > >   
   > >       So would the right brain composite mind work as strongly together?   
   No,   
   > > don't think so. Is this the problem Jesus was referring to? You bet.   
   >   
   > Really? When he he talk about group minds? You have given any evidence   
   > that we work together except in response to what we see, hear, feel,   
   > and smell.   
   >   
   > > Step back   
   > > and examine the teachings of most religions. Specially what Jesus   
   > > taught.   
   >   
   > I have. I was raised born again. I moved into Zen, and tried to   
   > interpret Christianity in a  more ...expansive way. I studied Greek in   
   > college.  I have other things to do now. One thing I do is, in   
   > my small way, defend the scientific process. One does not have to give   
   > up a religious path to do science. But Jesus did not talk about group   
   > minds - assuming the scraps of quotes we have left are reliable.   
   >   
   > >   
   > >       They never say don't look after yourself. That would be long term   
   > > suicide. But they do say try to reach beyond your own selfish desires in   
   > > just catering to yourself and your ego when you run into a conflict of   
   > > interests with others. Don't Sins revolve around this theme?   
   >   
   > One doesn't need to create a new mythology to talk about being nice to   
   > others.   
   >   
   > >   
   > >       The main problem with Satan's kingdom is that his people work against   
   > > each other as well as with each other. But where did this conflict come   
   > > from? How it expressed in our politics and wars as well with the little   
   > > everyday interactions we have with each other?   
   > >   
   > >   
   > >       Let me lay a little ground work in some remote areas and finally tie   
   > > them together with other ideas. This is all going to seem strange to you   
   > > in the   
   > > beginning, so bare with me. Scientists already today have realized that   
   > > there is much information preprogrammed in our brains for assimilating   
   > > and shaping   
   > > outside information, social information.   
   >   
   > Actually, I've been hearing ideas like this since the sixties, in   
   > Berkeley.   
   >   
   > >   
   > >   
   > >   
   > >                     SEX PREFERENCES AND GENES   
   > >               ___________________________________   
   > >   
   > >   
   > >       Take for example sexual preference, just recently they discovered   
   that   
   > > a very small clump of cells in our brains which determines our sexual   
   > > orientation.   
   > > All brains are born female, but usually for normal male brains, in the   
   > > first 24 hours a hormone is released  making a certain clump of cells   
   > > grow. If the cells   
   > > do grow the brain will be male oriented, making it seek out the female   
   > > form. Vice-versa is also true.   
   > >       But all this also means that the visual clues in our brains for   
   > > female/male traits  also are preprogrammed in us. Unlike most lower   
   > > animals, we   
   > > rely much more on visual clues than smell. So there must be information   
   > > already hardwired in our brains just to read the visual clues of the   
   > > opposite sex. This also is supported by the obvious fact that we don't   
   > > have to be told as to what the visual clues of a person's physical   
   > > appearance means. I like women, but   
   >   
   > > never attended a class to learn how.   
   > >       There are visual clues for youth, meaning health and others telling   
   us   
   > > of old age, weakness and unsuitability for child bearing any more. None   
   > > of which we have to go to school to learn. I even think that there is a   
   > > good chance who we like to look at, who we find attractive, might depend   
   > > a lot on our own gene   
   > > makeup. If we have good genes and sense just as good and of the same   
   > > type in the opposite sex, we might be driven to want to have sex with   
   > > them. Like craving   
   > > like. And since we all have our share of weak genes as well, we might   
   > > sense our gene opposites which can improve on our offspring. So a type   
   > > of liking your   
   > > opposite is another flavor of craving.   
   > >       There is other information preprogrammed in us for listening to   
   > > languages, learning impossibly fast and well as a child , when we   
   > > clearly outstrip most   
   > > adults in the assimilation of language. Later when we just use logic to   
   > > learn languages, rather than some mysterious preprogrammed ability for   
      
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