XPost: sci.psychology.psychotherapy, alt.consciousness   
   From: sesquipedalian@isp.com   
      
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   bckwrds wrote:   
      
   >"Uncle Davey" wrote in message   
   >news:ci286i$gf2$0@pita.alt.net...   
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   >   
   >>Użytkownik "bckwrds" napisał w wiadomości   
   >>news:ci1p38$f6o$0$216.39.143.27@theriver.com...   
   >>   
   >>   
   >>>"AC" wrote in message   
   >>>news:2qhm0cFvqiumU1@uni-berlin.de...   
   >>>   
   >>>[major snippage to get to the point]   
   >>>   
   >>>   
   >>>   
   >>>   
   >>>>>Atheism would not exist in any cultures where it not for the   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>   
   >>free-will,   
   >>   
   >>   
   >>>>>faith-based way   
   >>>>>That Christ has chosen to redeem us.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>Atheism exists because some people don't believe in God. Hinduism   
   >>>>exists because some people believe in at least some members of the   
   >>>>   
   >>>>   
   >Hindu   
   >   
   >   
   >>>>pantheon, etc. ad nauseum.   
   >>>>   
   >>>>   
   >>>>   
   >>>>>There are no atheist angels, and no atheist demons.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>CAn you provide me with any emperical evidence that any of these   
   >>>>   
   >>>>   
   >beings   
   >   
   >   
   >>>>exist, Davey? Perhaps you missed one of the key p   
   >>>>   
   >>>>   
   >>>1) should have died in a head on car crash...only room for two cars on   
   >>>   
   >>>   
   >>this   
   >>   
   >>   
   >>>road and I was the third....my car got a cratch in the point. It was   
   >>>unbelieveable.   
   >>>I got out and looked my car over and over again....nothing was wrong.   
   >>>   
   >>>2) was caught in the riptide with my sister as a young child. We both   
   >>>screamed to our mom on the shore that we couldn't get in....that we were   
   >>>both being pushed further and further into the ocean. I could only   
   >>>   
   >>>   
   >barely   
   >   
   >   
   >>>touch the bottom with my tippy toes when I went under.   
   >>> I said "God, help me!" God told me to take my sisters hand and walk in.   
   >>>I did just that and walked right in.   
   >>>   
   >>>3) Playing at my aunts home. Some cousins grapped a hold of an electric   
   >>>fence that my uncle had rigged so that the power never went off and had   
   >>>it at some super power level to keep his cows in. This cousin found   
   >>>   
   >>>   
   >>himself   
   >>   
   >>   
   >>>stuck to the line. His brother grapped him to help pull him off only to   
   >>>find himself stuck....another person grapped onto him to help with the   
   >>>same result. Three kids now being electrocuted in front of us all. I   
   >>>   
   >>>   
   >>asked   
   >>   
   >>   
   >>>God "what should I do???" God told me to grap by cousins hand and   
   >>>to leaned back. I did just that and we all came tumbling free. Note   
   >>>   
   >>>   
   >that   
   >   
   >   
   >>>God didn't tell me to put my head down and plow into the first cousin   
   >>>to knock them all free....but to grap hold of a hand and pull them   
   >>>   
   >>>   
   >off...   
   >   
   >   
   >>>exactly what had caused them all to be stuck. I not only listened, but   
   >>>obeyed.   
   >>>   
   >>>It's called angels.   
   >>>   
   >>>It's called God.   
   >>>   
   >>>It's called the love of my Father.   
   >>>   
   >>>It's called faith.   
   >>>   
   >>>many many stories are on the news day after day after year after year.   
   >>>   
   >>>Mystics? HA   
   >>>   
   >>>   
   >>>   
   >>It doesn't matter how many cases of this there are in the lives of people   
   >>they know and even in their own lives, they will choose to ignore them   
   >>   
   >>   
   >under   
   >   
   >   
   >>the banner of rationalism.   
   >>   
   >>One time I was driving on the road and one car overtaking me like a maniac   
   >>had a head on collision with another car coming the other way. Both cars   
   >>spun around and came to a halt in the road one in front of me and one   
   >>   
   >>   
   >behind   
   >   
   >   
   >>me, each facing back the way they came. Since the road was not broad   
   >>   
   >>   
   >enough   
   >   
   >   
   >>for them to spin around like that next to me without hitting me I could   
   >>   
   >>   
   >not   
   >   
   >   
   >>work out how it had happened, and to this day there seems only one   
   >>explanation.   
   >>   
   >>Uncle Davey   
   >>   
   >>   
   >   
   >   
   >yes, only one explanation by one whom believes.   
   >   
   >There are reasons for everything....we may not know them....but   
   >there are reasons.   
   >   
   >bckwrds   
   >   
   >   
   >   
   >   
   we are here for this world. contrary to views, it would seem, of others.   
   it doesn't have to make sense. no one can explain gravity, yet we   
   generally agree that it exists. sounds like a belief to me.   
      
   -sesquipedalian   
      
      
      
      
       
       
      
      
       
       
   bckwrds wrote:    
      
    "Uncle Davey" <noway@jose.com> wrote in message   
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    U¿ytkownik "bckwrds" <bckwrds@theriver.com>   
   napisa³ w wiadomo¶ci   
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    "AC" <mightymartianca@hotmail.com>   
   wrote in message   
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   [major snippage to get to the point]   
      
      
       
       
       
    Atheism would not exist in any cultures where it not   
   for the   
       
       
       
       
    free-will,   
       
       
       
       
    faith-based way   
   That Christ has chosen to redeem us.   
       
       
    Atheism exists because some people don't believe in God.    
   Hinduism   
   exists because some people believe in at least some members of the   
       
       
       
       
    Hindu   
       
       
       
       
    pantheon, etc. ad nauseum.   
      
       
       
    There are no atheist angels, and no atheist demons.   
       
       
    CAn you provide me with any emperical evidence that any   
   of these   
      
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