XPost: talk.religion.course-miracle, alt.support.chronic-pain, misc.writing
From: may.d@comcast.net
On 18 Sep 2004 06:53:47 GMT, Father Luke
wrote:
>Don May wrote:
>
>> On 17 Sep 2004 07:24:47 GMT, Father Luke
>> wrote:
>>
>>>Painius wrote:
>>>
>>>> Posted from the UseNet newsgroup misc.writing...
>>>>
>>>> "Father Luke" wrote...
>>>> in message news:Xns9565EA1E649F6WhatMeWorry@129.250.170.84...
>>>>>
>>>>> If life cannot be compromised, what is the nature of dreams in the
>>>>> real world?
>>>>>
>>>>> Father Luke
>>>>
>>>> 'Lo Father --
>>>
>>>Heidy-Ho!
>>>
>>>> Is that a trick question?...
>>>
>>>Honest question. If death is not real, what is the nature of dreams?
>>>
>>>> Never met anyone with the first name of "Father" before.
>>>
>>>I never met a woman with forty four holes, neither. If I did, I'd
>>>probably consider a primary relationship a workable solution to
>>>boredom. Yeah, it's Father Luke, AYS.
>>>
>>>> If we allow that life cannot be compromised, and If we also allow
>>>> that "the real world" is indeed real, then i submit that the nature
>>>> of dreams is simply put...
>>>>
>>>> We dream in order to deal with the everyday problems/challenges
>>>> which we encounter. So dreams have a healing nature and are
>>>> vital to our mental balance. And this is true for whatever physical
>>>> state in which we happen to find ourselves.
>>>
>>>Speaks to the dreaming of the dream, and its purpose. Not to what the
>>>nature of dreams are.
>>>
>>>I'm not trying to be a hard ass here, but if death is an illusion,
>>>then convince me. Convince me by illustrating the nature of dreams and
>>>why they POOF go away upon waking.
>>>
>>>See, if dreams are part of an illusion, that this *life* as we know it
>>>is an illusion, and that death eternal is but an error in thinking,
>>>then happiness would not matter and dreams will be a fuction of what?
>>>
>>>> Forgive my arrogant wording. The above is, at best, a speculative
>>>> hypothesis.
>>>
>>>I have my own I'll share with you. I hypothesise that the fear of
>>>death has killed more people than living ever has. Why not? If death
>>>is not real, then that fear is a killer! But if it is real, then why
>>>fight, fear and exdplain it away with gibberish?
>>>
>>>And you may say that I'm a dreamer . . . .
>>>
>>
>> Whether death is an illusion or not it is an unknown. Death is a
>> letting go of *everything,* every conscious thought, every sense of
>> reality, touch, visual, aural. Whether real or an illusion death is as
>> far as the organism is concerned, . . . oblivion. We fool ourselves
>> when we say we fear the unknown, fear is relative to something, how
>> can we fear nothing? What we do fear is the loss of mental constructs
>> that gives us an illusion of security.
>
>If it is not know whether death is an illusion or not, what are dreams?
>
>> The will to survive seems genetically inherent in all life forms. No
>> amount of belief, no amount of faith in after life, in spirit, in all
>> the mental constructs we have developed to feel security alters that
>> moment when we surrender the known, give up security. Yes, we fight
>> and kill and claw our way over others in this frantic quest to hold
>> onto security.
>>
>> Fear is the killer, fear we will lose our constructs that give us a
>> sense of comfort. We fight, we die for that sense of comfort even
>> though it is a mental construct, an illusion. Take away the gibberish
>> and we are left without a sense of security. Take away the false sense
>> of security and we only kill when our physical survival is directly
>> threatened. We build mental constructs that give us a sense of
>> security, then fight and die to hold onto them. What an irony, it is
>> the quest for security of life that most often kills life.
>>
>> Should both life and death be an illusion, a projection of a single
>> mind, the dreamer and the dream one and all is born out of loneliness,
>> faith is not in gods, it is in a sense of being.
>
>If it is not know whether life is an illusion or not, what are dreams?
>
>> I hypothesize, therefore I am ?
>>
>> And you may say that I'm a dreamer . . . .
>>
>>
>> Don
>
>If life cannot be compromised, what are the nature of dreams?
That's a big *If* . . . * cannot be compromised* would be an
assumption through faith taken as truth. That would make any answer
conjecture based on an assumption. Any answer at best would be think
tank brain storming or would be gibberish for the sake of amusement.
>
>If I have a dream where I kill someone and I wake up and go "Ho!. That
>was only a dream!", is that dream death the same as the death that people
>who say that death is not real?
>
>If it is not know whether life is an illusion or not, what are dreams?
In search for truth, should you find it, how would you recognize it?
>
>No one seems to have offered a direct answer. I'll offer my own. Dreams
>are a form of communication.
Between?
>
>Okay, Thanks.
Is that *Thanks* the discussion is over my answer is final?
>
>You've all been great. Be sure and tip your waitstaff, they work hard
>and have families. Most of the waitresses have family of mine.
>
I think of tipping as a form of equalization. I came from a family of
nine . . . believe me we needed equalization.
>I'll be here all week. Don't eat the veal, it's poison.
>
Unto others as you would have them do unto you.
>Father Luke
>
Don
--
A Zen Master used to say, 'It is clear and so it is hard to see. A
dunce once searched for a fire with a lighted lantern. Had he known
what fire was he could have cooked his rice much sooner.'
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