XPost: alt.consciousness
From: Be@Here.Now
On Mon, 01 Nov 2004 13:28:54 -0700, Crowfoot wrote:
>Except that J.Z. Knight is in it, well along in the film so that her
>moon-faced burbling won't alert you too early to the fact that this
>movie is probably some self-promotion jobbie she's helped to bankroll
>with the millions she's amassed pretending to channel ancient Atlantean
>aristocrat "Ramtha", whose voice and delivery Knight's husband, I think
>it was, caught her privately practicing in front of a mirror.
>
>Some of what's said in the film about science by scientists seems
>interesting, but frankly I've seen some comments on scientific sites
>about how what applies on extreme microatomic and microcellular levels
>of matter and energy does not demonstrably apply the same way (if at
>all) at the levels of function at which human beings live. I've also
>seen some challenges to the qualifications of some of the spokespersons
>in the movie.
>
>Large Grain of Salt, I think; but interesting all the same.
That sounds more like a personal attack than a movie critique. Have
you seen the movie at all? The ideas presented are far more important
than the personalities. Hold off sitting in judgment of the people
involved in making the movie and examine the ideas.
I don't know much about Knight, but spirit channeling has been a
practice older than recorded history. It also seems that those
channeled spirits are saying almost the same thing about the nature of
reality. The same thing that the mystics have been saying for
thousands of years. The same thing spoken of in the Vedas, the oldest
"mystic" texts in the world, . And now the same thing that quantum
physics is revealing.
As for the physics, yes, they are on the leading edge, and as always
those on the leading edge are resisted by the "establishment". At
least they are not excommunicated or burned at the stake anymore,
well, not normally.
But even the mainstream is starting to shift, "The Elegant Universe"
by Nova and Brain Greene, said almost the same thing but didn't get
into the philosophy or meaning of what advanced physics is revealing.
In addition, holistic medicine is now being accepted as the
mainstream. Just a few years ago it was viewed as quackery, now the
mind/body connection is considered a fact by most doctors.
Finally, the ideas presented in the movie fit NDE experiences. It's
amazing that people who have not experienced a NDE are putting into
words the feelings and insights I gained from my NDE, but have not
been able to express clearly, myself.
Here are a few of the ideas presented in the movie:
1) There is no objective reality, the observer always effects that
which is observed.
2) Matter has no intrinsic reality outside of consciousness. It is
but vibrating energy. And now, it appears to be vibrating conscious
energy.
3) Everything is inter-related, or entangled, with everything else
(all is one)
4) There are many dimensions that exist beyond our common plain of
reference. These dimensions can be accessed through higher, or
altered states of consciousness. Expand your awareness and your
awareness expands. Our ideas of reality, shape our ideas of reality.
Change you idea of reality, and you change your reality. It's all
relative to your plain of reference, your idea.
5) We are not our body, we are not our actions, we are not our
persona, we are far more than just our mind, ... our Self is the still
point of awareness at the center of our being that we call spirit. We
are the manifestation of pure unmanifest, conscious, potential.
If you see the world as flatland, then you create your world as
flatland.
Quote's from the movie's web site:
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There is only one thing more powerful than all the armies of the
world, that is an idea whose time has come.
- Victor Hugo
Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind.
- Albert Einstein, in The New Convergence
Our scientific power has outrun our spiritual power.We have guided
missiles and misguided men.
- Martin Luther King, Jr.
The whole history of science has been the gradual realization that
events do not happen in an arbitrary manner, but that they reflect a
certain underlying order, which may or may not be divinely inspired.
- Stephen W. Hawking
When I despair, I remember that all through history the ways of truth
and love have always won. There have been tyrants, and murderers, and
for a time they can seem invincible, but in the end they always fall.
Think of it – always.
- Mahatma Gandhi
To confine our attention to terrestrial matters would be to limit the
human spirit.
- Stephen W. Hawking
The visible world is the invisible organization of energy.
- Physicist Heinz Pagels
There is no reality in the absence of observation.
- The Copenhagen Interpretation of Quantum Mechanics
No theory of reality compatible with quantum theory can require
spatially separate events to be independent.
- J.S. Bell
If quantum mechanics hasn't profoundly shocked you, you haven't
understood it yet.
- Niels Bohr
Curiouser and curiouser!
- Lewis Carroll
Man can learn nothing except by going from the known to the unknown.
- Claude Bernard
The warrior steps forth to accept the unknown and challenge disbelief,
for if it lies in mind it Is, by God!
- Ramtha
If those who lead you say to you, "See, the Kingdom is in the sky,"
then the birds of the sky will precede you. If they say to you, "It is
in the sea," then the fish will precede you. Rather, the Kingdom is
inside of you, and it is outside of you. When you come to know
yourselves, then you will become known, and you will realize that it
is you who are the sons of the living Father. But if you will not know
yourselves, you dwell in poverty and it is you who are that poverty.
- (All the sayings of Jesus gathered from ancient sources and compiled
into a single volume for the first time. Compiled by Ricky Alan
Mayotte) From The Complete Jesus. (Pg 71) Jesus
There are grounds for cautious optimism that we may now be near the
end of the search for the ultimate laws of nature.
- Stephen W. Hawking
I believe there is no source of deception in the investigation of
nature which can compare with a fixed belief that certain kinds of
phenomena are impossible.
- William James
Sometimes I've believed as many as six impossible things before
breakfast.
- Lewis Carroll
Your theory is crazy, but it's not crazy enough to be true.
- Niels Bohr
To know that we know what we know, and to know that we do not know
what we do not know, that is true knowledge.
- Copernicus
Few people are capable of expressing with equanimity opinions which
differ from the prejudices of their social environment. Most people
are even incapable of forming such opinions.
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