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|    Leo to All    |
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|    08 Jun 05 12:18:03    |
      From: fupkonto@hotmail.dk              Hi       Well, good solid proof, and a converted atheist - those are features I don't       think I can offer.              But read my story and judge for yourself.       I am a science-based person. I believe in what I can see and measure. I love       math, physics, chemistry, biology - all the "hard stuff".       But as many others I have attended sunday school, gone to church regularly,       am married - and my kids are baptized. I consider myself a cultural       christian, though I consider a belief in the christian god as irrational.       Sorry - no offence meant, that's just how it is.       I don't want to start a discussion on evolution and intelligent design, but       believing in a supreme being as the inventor and creator, maybe even an old       bearded man, is at the moment too big a mouthful. And the question is not       how, but why...       For a great many years I didn't offer any thoughts on anything       supernatural - then a couple of years ago I underwent surgery. I hadn't       given it any considerations. It was quite a minor thing - just a pop in and       out hospital to have my gall bladder removed - 36 hours at the most. But,       but - as you might have guessed the operation didn't go as planned.       I didn't have a "traditional" NDE - I didn't walk through a tunnel, I didn't       meet angels or god or my passed away realtives. But I had this sensation of       being part of a unity - I "dreamt" that someone came and asked me to follow,       not by words, but it was clear that I had to come. He showed me a coffin and       I got the impression, that what I was to see was very important. There were       others there too, shadows, persons, I couldn't distinguish one from       another - I looked into the coffin, and the bottom became like quicksilver,       and was held up like a mirror that reflected the light very sharply - it was       like looking into the sun - then I woke up in the intensive care unit, all       wired up on monitors and with nurses and doctors buzzing around like bees on       a honey pot.       But really, this was not the most significant about this experience - that       was two matters - first of all that I told this to my wife, before I was       told about the problems during the operation, which is at least to me very       important. It is not an experince invented for the occasion!       Secondly what I consider even more important was that this was not - even       though i wrote it in the start - a dream. This is as real to me as any other       memory. I can recall this - now some years after - as clear as thinking back       on the say my breakfast this morning. It is not a dream, it is a memory.       What i experienced was real - I was there, I saw it, I felt it.       I also have to emphazise the tremendous sensation of comfort. It was not a       scary experience - it was a sensation of being a unity - I really think I       caught a glimpse of eternity and all-knowing.       But have I then become religious? My answer would have to be - "define       religious!". I have not become more religious in the sense that I read teh       Bible or attend church. I still consider it irrational. But...I am religious       in the sense that I consider physical death to a new start instead of an       ending. I don't want to use the word soul - it has implications I cannot see       the consequenses of.       Somehow I think, that there is a "core of being" a part of our consciousness       which is carried on.       And if not, then so be it - if what I experienced is death, then I do not       fear death.There is nothing scary about that - on the contrary. It was warm       and comforting.       After my hospitalisation I haven't had any sequelae. I have become more       assertive and more selctive on my time spending - and more prone to seeking       quietness. It is not that I don't like noise, talking, music etc., but I       need to have periods of silence.        I continue to consider belief in a "god" quite a task, but I have become       more open to what is part of this world or not...       Just because we cannot see or measure it, it doesn't mean it isn't there.       Maybe we just haven't found the ways to do that.       I said earlier that the question to me wasn't how, but why...       Those questions are still open for answers. And though I think there is no       life after death, there might still be being after death.       But from there to reincarnation, soul wandering and all that stuff there is       quite a way to go.              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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