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   > > in article 1131959513.954213.259650@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com, Gary at   
   > > gary@menkaura.com wrote on 11/14/05 1:11 AM:   
   > >   
   > >> Do you believe that   
   > >> various explanations cause this,such as natural causes   
   > >> drugs,fever,disease induced hallucinations,oxygen deprivation to the   
   > >> brain etc or do you believe someone does come to help you into the next   
   > >> world?????"   
      
   Not necessarily.  Most of us are capable of wandering down the tunnel   
   (or some version thereof) our own when  we've been around a few times   
   and know the drill (or at least recognize the situation once the grip of   
   the body and its concerns is let go).   Beyond that, it depends: do you   
   want some quiet time on your own to think things over?  You'll be on   
   your own til you're done with that and read to start networking with   
   others over plans for your next outing on the physical.  Do you long to   
   re-encounter old friends, family, lovers?  They, or at any rate souls   
   wearing those reassuring forms, will oblige.  Some people lock   
   themselves into bubbles of illusion for a time, reflecting their   
   convictions of a Heaven or a Hell (poor Jean Paul Sartre, stuck in his   
   after-death closet of nothingness until he gets so bored that he breaks   
   himself out of it!).   
      
   A year or so after my father died I dreamed I found him sitting cutting   
   his nails on his bed in the apartment he'd lived in next to me for 20   
   yrs.  Asked him if he knew he was dead: "Of course I know.  I've been   
   through this a hundred times," he growled, just as sweet as ever.  It   
   was time, in the dream, for him to move on, so I helped him and we   
   walked a bit ("Don't walk so fast, you know I can't walk so fast!")   
   until  the light was ahead, and I pointed.  "Oh yeah," he said.  "I was   
   thinking about that; I was just going to do that."  He asked for a kiss,   
   stiff and shy the way he'd always been: "We didn't do that," he said,   
   meaning that he had died before I could get to the nursing home and say   
   goodbye.  Then he headed for it, standing taller and walking more firmly   
   as he went; paused to ask me if I was looking after his annoying pain in   
   the ass of a whining old cat, and when I assured him she was okay, he   
   said, "That's okay, then," and walked into the light.   
      
   Not exactly what you're talking about -- he sort of met me, and he was   
   the dead one -- but it was clear as a bell and completely convincing (to   
   me -- nobody else has to share my conviction, of course), and that plus   
   a couple of other experiences tells me that there's lots going on over   
   there, and that we come and go between these planes until we're done   
   with whatever it is we're doing by that.   
      
   There are also shamans in some cultures who specialize in visiting the   
   vestibule of the spirit world, as it were, to coax reluctant dead people   
   on to the next stage so they won't hang around bothering the living.  In   
   general, I think there's at least as much help coming from this side for   
   people crossing over as there is over there.   
      
   Just some anecdotal evidence, since you asked.   
      
      
      
      
      
   > >   
   > >   
   > > From what I have expereinced with NDEs, and my own awakening consciousness   
   > > by healing up the PTSD vectors in the body I can only offer this opinion.   
   > >   
   > > As for birth you will notice that you are never alone ... to get here you   
   > > get a belly button and a mom.  No other way it happens at the get go.   
   > >   
   > > Same for death, there is always some one on the other side to help.   
   > >   
   > > The universe is about love.   
   > >   
   > > And the light show, the visions you see, like this printing on your   
   computer   
   > > screen lets say ... is just apparent.   
   > >   
   > > It dont exist.   
   > >   
   > > Like a dream is just apparent, a light show, same for an NDE.   
   > >   
   > > Its all One in the end said Einstein.   
   > >   
   > > I happen to agree with him.   
   > >   
   > > The more I learned to live in love and refused to live in fear.   
   > >   
   > > The light show just got better.   
   > >   
   > > Instead of hell lets say, it blew past Heaven and now I walk in the Navajo   
   > > Universe.   
   > >   
   > > It keeps on going no matter what you do twenty four seven.   
   > >   
   > > You can pay attention to it like that if you wish to.   
   > >   
   > > Hope this missive is a help to what you are wresting with.   
   > >   
   > > You have all the answers inside you know.   
   > >   
   > > Just keep putting love inside where all the fear is, like the fear of death   
   > > until all the fear is gone and there is only love.   
   > >   
   > > Keep asking for more love until the fear, the pain, the hurt is gone.   
   > >   
   > > Takes a few days - but it is worth the effort.   
   > >   
   > > all my best.   
   > >   
   > > sumbuddie who cares   
   > >   
   > > :)   
   > >   
      
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