XPost: sci.psychology.psychotherapy, alt.consciousness, talk.origins   
   From: sfct@aol.com   
      
   Matt Silberstein wrote:   
   >   
   > On Tue, 24 Aug 2004 16:59:19 +0000 (UTC), farchy@u.washington.edu   
   > (Floyd) wrote:   
   >   
   > [snip]   
   >   
   > >Kurt Gödel was born in 1906.  By the 1970s, he was in his late 60s or   
   > >early 70s.  The average life expectancy for someone born in the US in   
   > >the early years of the 20th century was a few decades less than that,   
   > >and Gödel was born in eastern Europe (then Brünn, Austria-Hungary, now   
   > >Brno, Czech Republic) where life expectency was even shorter.  Thus he   
   > >was quite elderly by the time Rucker met him.   
   >   
   > Gödel also starved himself to death, it was a long slow processes.   
   > Anyone who had met him in those last years would have expected to hear   
   > of his death.   
   >   
   > >Dreaming that an   
   > >elderly respected colleague passed away is not all that surprising.   
   > >Did Dr. Rucker report dreaming about Gödel any other times?  I ask   
   > >because it is quite easy to speculate that this is an example of   
   > >"counting the hits and forgetting the misses", which is a quite common   
   > >phenomenon in psychology (people like John Edward rely on this   
   > >phenomenon for their stage shows).   
   > >   
   > >It also seems curious that you take the account of a young PhD who had   
   > >met Gödel once or twice seriously, but neglect any mention of the   
   > >experiences of others who were closer to Gödel during life.   
   >   
   > People who knew Gödel well at that time would have known that he   
   > suffered from paranoid schizophrenia. Not a man to take life advice   
   > from even if he appeared in a dream.   
   >   
   > [snip]   
   >   
   > --   
   > Matt Silberstein   
   >   
   > Do in order to understand.   
      
      
      
   Duh, do you think I believe Godel was giving Rudy life advice?   
   NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOo   
   oh NOOOOOOO!!!   
      
      
   I think Godel was trying to tell Rudy a little about the layers of   
   reality. Starting off with the first layer, chess pieces, you know, the   
   people we know in life.   
      
   You figure out the rest. I did.   
      
      
   As to Godel being a 'paranoid schizophrenia' ? Hmm, was he really? Just   
   because he is wary of most people? I know the stories about being   
   poisoned. So we have to conclude because of his condition, if truely   
   accessed, he was a unproductive person, someone wrong about his ideas?   
   Someone who ran from his buddies like Rudy and Einstein? Come on, get   
   real. What should we think of Einstein who used to take long walks with   
   Rudy? Two peas in a pot. Alike?   
      
      
   Be careful about politically correct labeling. Take profiling. Is it   
   always wrong or averse to natural thinking?   
      
      
   If I profile a young Arab on a jet as someone more likey More likely to   
   blow himself up on a jet than some 80 year old Swedish woman the ACLU   
   might jump all over my ass. Why because I'm obviously wrong in my   
   thinking, right?   
      
   But if I'm vengeful person, crazy, demented, and kidnap the lawyers who   
   went after me for my incorrect profiling thinking. And threw them all in   
   a specially designed pool. One they had to swim to the other side before   
   they drowned.   
      
   And the pool was divided in half. One side is filled with dolphins. The   
   other side with sharks. And I told them, "you better not make any   
   politically incorrect decisions on which side you'll swim through".   
      
   And I flip a coin,  a fair 50-50 coin, to which side they'll have to   
   swim though.  No prejudice against sharks. No profiling about any   
   animals on any level. Not just about humans.   
      
   How many of those lawyers would become politically incorrect to protect   
   their asses?   
      
   Bad example huh? OK, lets make it more realistic.   
      
   You have a bunch of ACLU Jewish lawyer fathers with their daughters   
   instead. Having to send their daughters through a side filled with Blood   
   gang members. Young black gang members. Or wild rednecks. And the other   
   side was filled with priests. Throw some gay ones in for good measures.   
      
   Would those Jewish fathers stick to politically correct profiling when   
   it might hurt their families. Or just when they're betting/hoping the   
   odds are, the hurt will never reach their affluent homes?   
      
   Joking. But what do you think?   
      
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