From: sfct@aol.com   
      
   B Walker wrote:   
   >   
   > Steve S. wrote:   
   > > My father, who was an adamant atheist and materialist, died clinically on   
   > > the operating table. He also experienced a profound sense of peace without   
   > > pain. Afterwards, he didn't change his philosophy outwardly, but he was a   
   > > bit more respectful of other beliefs than he was before.   
   > >   
   > > I disagree that this is (only) endorphins or a purely physical phenomenon.   
   I   
   > > think this is a variation on the NDE experience. I don't think it's an   
   > > "either/or" issue--"either/or" thinking is part of the old paradigm, which   
   > > also includes materialism and reductionism.   
   > > Steve S.   
   >   
   > Well, it certainly is interesting to say the least.  I think the   
   > possible reason it might have been just endorphins is that I got pretty   
   > much the same feeling much later when I low sided my motorcycle.. as I   
   > was sliding down the road in a shower of sparks.. I just felt kinda   
   > peacefull... really kinda weird.   
   >   
   > Oh the other hand perhaps that's just the only bit I can remember.   
   >   
   > >   
   > >   
   > > "B Walker"  wrote in message   
   > > news:41122DA7.9080403@yahoo.com...   
   > >   
   > >>I saw reference to this group on the net somewhere along the line,   
   > >>thought I'd pop in and share my experience.. I'm not entirely sure it   
   > >>qualifies as NDE and I don't remember very much at all.   
   > >>   
   > >>2/14/1989 I suffered severe head injuries in an accident, according to   
   > >>my parents the doctor said my heart had stopped (they don't remember   
   > >>exactly how long, it was minutes but 1 or 2 or 5.. they aren't sure).  I   
   > >>never pursued getting any documents related to this as quite frankly I   
   > >>don't think it really matters much.   
   > >>   
   > >>All I can remember is an overriding feeling of peace, I think I was   
   > >>perfectly ready to go.. no tunnel.. no light.. no voices.. Kind of like   
   > >>pre-dawn in the middle of an empty desert.   
   > >>   
   > >>Woke up 7 days later and the above is all I can remember.  I do know   
   > >>that I recaptured that feeling once, low sided a motorcycle on a canyon   
   > >>road at about 45mph and as I was sliding down the road.. I felt the same   
   > >>peace.   
   > >>   
   > >>Pretty much a life changing experience in a variety of ways, most of   
   > >>which are difficult to express.   
   > >>   
   > >>--   
   > >>DoD# 2223, OFCC #3122   
   > >>Meum scapha volitare plenum anguillae   
   > >>   
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   > >   
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   >   
   > --   
   > DoD# 2223, OFCC #3122   
   > Meum scapha volitare plenum anguillae   
      
      
      
   I has my own NDE and yes it was quite peaceful. But I also lift weights,   
   a lot, and I'm well aware of how brain feels when endorphin production   
   goes into over drive. Both are peaceful, but both are also very   
   different in feelings.   
      
   A whisky high doesn't feel like a coke high. A lsd high doesn't feel   
   like a pot high. And an endorphin feeling doesn't feel like a NDE   
   feeling.   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
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