XPost: sci.psychology.psychotherapy, alt.consciousness, talk.origins   
   From: RaanOne@One.org   
      
   "Atman"  wrote in message   
   news:8bddj0hj6qrgee7ohuq74j6ubreejtqhm0@4ax.com...   
   > On Wed, 1 Sep 2004 10:52:28 +0000 (UTC), "Raan"    
   > wrote:   
   >   
   > >   
   > >> Bottom line is that all dogma, fanaticism, fundamentalism, and   
   > >> extremism can be dangerous, even under the name of Secular Humanism.   
   > >>   
   > >>  Agreeing to respect other people's right to hold and publicly express   
   > >> their beliefs, even those religious beliefs that you disagree with,   
   > >> has proved to be the only workable solution.   
   > >>   
   > >   
   > >And is universal tolerance tolerant of intolerance?   
   > >Beliefs are ignorance posing as knowledge.   
   > >The limitations of reason and science do not negate them.   
   > >Many think themselves reasonable that are not.   
   > >And many label themselves other than what they are.   
   > >My disagreement is with belief itself and none in particular.   
   > >These sentences may be out of order but there you have it.   
   >   
   > Sounds like political rhetoric to me.   
   >   
   > We must tolerant intolerance, If we do not, then we become the   
   > intolerant ones ourselves!   
      
   And if you tolerate intolerance you passively advocate it.   
      
   > Beliefs are ideas.   
      
   Beliefs are ideas held to be the truth though lacking conclusive evidence.   
      
   > Each one of us subjectively determines the quality   
   > of the ideas.   
      
   1+1=2 does not fit with this notion of yours.   
      
   >  Even the belief in a common objective reality is but a   
   > subjective belief itself.   
      
   Not everyone holds this to be true and not everyone who makes reference to   
   and use of the idea of, the objectivity of reality, necessarily believes it.   
      
   > Reason and science are but tools to serve mankind,   
   > they are not our   
   > god.   
      
   No one claimed or implied or even hinted that science and reason were   
   anyone's God but you just now, so why even mention it?   
      
   > So called "reason" and science, removed from love and   
   > compassion, make a cruel and evil god.   
      
   This sounds like apolitical rhetoric to me.   
   Reason and science even if removed from love don't make any kind of a god   
   that I have ever been aware of.  I have yet to encounter a god of any kind   
   whatsoever.   
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