XPost: sci.psychology.psychotherapy, alt.consciousness, talk.origins
From: nick@SKIPTHESECAPSbackpack.com
In article , "Uncle Davey"
wrote:
> Użytkownik "AC" napisał w wiadomości
> news:2qjb5iFvsu5rU1@uni-berlin.de...
> > bckwrds wrote:
> > > "AC" wrote in message
> > > news:2qhm0cFvqiumU1@uni-berlin.de...
> > >
> > > [major snippage to get to the point]
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >>>Atheism would not exist in any cultures where it not for the free-will,
> > >>>faith-based way
> > >>>That Christ has chosen to redeem us.
> > >>
> > >>Atheism exists because some people don't believe in God. Hinduism
> > >>exists because some people believe in at least some members of the Hindu
> > >>pantheon, etc. ad nauseum.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>>There are no atheist angels, and no atheist demons.
> > >>
> > >>CAn you provide me with any emperical evidence that any of these beings
> > >>exist, Davey? Perhaps you missed one of the key p
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > 1) should have died in a head on car crash...only room for two cars on
> this
> > > road and I was the third....my car got a cratch in the point. It was
> > > unbelieveable.
> > > I got out and looked my car over and over again....nothing was wrong.
> > >
> > > 2) was caught in the riptide with my sister as a young child. We both
> > > screamed to our mom on the shore that we couldn't get in....that we were
> > > both being pushed further and further into the ocean. I could only
> barely
> > > touch the bottom with my tippy toes when I went under.
> > > I said "God, help me!" God told me to take my sisters hand and walk in.
> > > I did just that and walked right in.
> > >
> > > 3) Playing at my aunts home. Some cousins grapped a hold of an electric
> > > fence that my uncle had rigged so that the power never went off and had
> > > it at some super power level to keep his cows in. This cousin found
> himself
> > > stuck to the line. His brother grapped him to help pull him off only to
> > > find himself stuck....another person grapped onto him to help with the
> > > same result. Three kids now being electrocuted in front of us all. I
> asked
> > > God "what should I do???" God told me to grap by cousins hand and
> > > to leaned back. I did just that and we all came tumbling free. Note
> that
> > > God didn't tell me to put my head down and plow into the first cousin
> > > to knock them all free....but to grap hold of a hand and pull them
> off...
> > > exactly what had caused them all to be stuck. I not only listened, but
> > > obeyed.
> > >
> > > It's called angels.
> > >
> > > It's called God.
> > >
> > > It's called the love of my Father.
> > >
> > > It's called faith.
> > >
> > > many many stories are on the news day after day after year after year.
> > >
> > > Mystics? HA
> >
> > It's called ancedotal evidence. Thousands of people die horrible deaths
> > every day, so why should angel's care about you? Now if everyone was
> > mysteriously saved from nasty ends, then I might be more motivated to
> > look into it.
>
> How many interventions would you need before you believed it, and then what
> would the value of that faith be?
>
> Uncle Davey
Well, unfortunately we don't have any anecdotes from the people who got
pulled under by a riptide and drowned while praying for God's help.
We don't have any anecdotes from those who were electrocuted to death
while praying to be saved.
We don't have any anecdotes from people who died in head-on car crashes
which the angels were to busy to meddle with that day.
I think these are cases where 'bckwrds' was the beneficiary of good luck
and/or good thinking, which he doesn't seem eager to take the credit for.
- Felix
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