XPost: sci.psychology.psychotherapy, alt.consciousness, talk.origins
From: bckwrds@theriver.com
"Double Felix" wrote in message
news:nick-3B4EC5.12531012092004@news.west.cox.net...
> In article , "Uncle Davey"
> wrote:
>
> > Użytkownik "AC" napisał w wiadomości
> > news:2qjb5iFvsu5rU1@uni-berlin.de...
> > > bckwrds wrote:
> > > > "AC" wrote in message
> > > > news:2qhm0cFvqiumU1@uni-berlin.de...
> > > >
> > > > [major snippage to get to the point]
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >>>Atheism would not exist in any cultures where it not for the
free-will,
> > > >>>faith-based way
> > > >>>That Christ has chosen to redeem us.
> > > >>
> > > >>Atheism exists because some people don't believe in God. Hinduism
> > > >>exists because some people believe in at least some members of the
Hindu
> > > >>pantheon, etc. ad nauseum.
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>>There are no atheist angels, and no atheist demons.
> > > >>
> > > >>CAn you provide me with any emperical evidence that any of these
beings
> > > >>exist, Davey? Perhaps you missed one of the key p
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > 1) should have died in a head on car crash...only room for two cars
on
> > this
> > > > road and I was the third....my car got a cratch in the point. It
was
> > > > unbelieveable.
> > > > I got out and looked my car over and over again....nothing was
wrong.
> > > >
> > > > 2) was caught in the riptide with my sister as a young child. We
both
> > > > screamed to our mom on the shore that we couldn't get in....that we
were
> > > > both being pushed further and further into the ocean. I could only
> > barely
> > > > touch the bottom with my tippy toes when I went under.
> > > > I said "God, help me!" God told me to take my sisters hand and walk
in.
> > > > I did just that and walked right in.
> > > >
> > > > 3) Playing at my aunts home. Some cousins grapped a hold of an
electric
> > > > fence that my uncle had rigged so that the power never went off and
had
> > > > it at some super power level to keep his cows in. This cousin found
> > himself
> > > > stuck to the line. His brother grapped him to help pull him off
only to
> > > > find himself stuck....another person grapped onto him to help with
the
> > > > same result. Three kids now being electrocuted in front of us all.
I
> > asked
> > > > God "what should I do???" God told me to grap by cousins hand and
> > > > to leaned back. I did just that and we all came tumbling free.
Note
> > that
> > > > God didn't tell me to put my head down and plow into the first
cousin
> > > > to knock them all free....but to grap hold of a hand and pull them
> > off...
> > > > exactly what had caused them all to be stuck. I not only listened,
but
> > > > obeyed.
> > > >
> > > > It's called angels.
> > > >
> > > > It's called God.
> > > >
> > > > It's called the love of my Father.
> > > >
> > > > It's called faith.
> > > >
> > > > many many stories are on the news day after day after year after
year.
> > > >
> > > > Mystics? HA
> > >
> > > It's called ancedotal evidence. Thousands of people die horrible
deaths
> > > every day, so why should angel's care about you? Now if everyone was
> > > mysteriously saved from nasty ends, then I might be more motivated to
> > > look into it.
> >
> > How many interventions would you need before you believed it, and then
what
> > would the value of that faith be?
> >
> > Uncle Davey
>
> Well, unfortunately we don't have any anecdotes from the people who got
> pulled under by a riptide and drowned while praying for God's help.
>
> We don't have any anecdotes from those who were electrocuted to death
> while praying to be saved.
>
> We don't have any anecdotes from people who died in head-on car crashes
> which the angels were to busy to meddle with that day.
>
> I think these are cases where 'bckwrds' was the beneficiary of good luck
> and/or good thinking, which he doesn't seem eager to take the credit for.
>
> - Felix
Good luck? If you only knew my life....which like every life started out
with innocence but kinda went down hill from there. Incest, then child
prostitution (yes, I have proof) and a mom that blamed me for it all....
sisters and brothers who hated me and let me know that no one loved
me because I was adopted. Oh, for good measures, I also burn down
an empty house and one huge, stinky chicken barn. Because of all this
good luck as a child, stayed with a man who, well, let's just say he isn't
an upstanding citizen. Only good thing about him is that he is an X.
Yeah, tell me about good luck.
But one thing none of them could take from me was my faith. My dad tried
and so did others....but it didn't work. Still doesn't and never will. It
is
called free will and it doesn't bother me one way or the other what others
think about this. I know my life. I know the lives of many others....and,
yes,
there is God and the King of King.
Some of us learn this fact before others, that's all.
bckwrds
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