XPost: sci.psychology.psychotherapy, alt.consciousness, talk.origins
From: mightymartianca@hotmail.com
On Mon, 13 Sep 2004 00:53:42 +0000 (UTC),
bckwrds wrote:
>
> "Double Felix" wrote in message
> news:nick-3B4EC5.12531012092004@news.west.cox.net...
>> In article , "Uncle Davey"
>> wrote:
>>
>> > Użytkownik "AC" napisał w wiadomości
>> > news:2qjb5iFvsu5rU1@uni-berlin.de...
>> > > bckwrds wrote:
>> > > > "AC" wrote in message
>> > > > news:2qhm0cFvqiumU1@uni-berlin.de...
>> > > >
>> > > > [major snippage to get to the point]
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >>>Atheism would not exist in any cultures where it not for the
> free-will,
>> > > >>>faith-based way
>> > > >>>That Christ has chosen to redeem us.
>> > > >>
>> > > >>Atheism exists because some people don't believe in God. Hinduism
>> > > >>exists because some people believe in at least some members of the
> Hindu
>> > > >>pantheon, etc. ad nauseum.
>> > > >>
>> > > >>
>> > > >>>There are no atheist angels, and no atheist demons.
>> > > >>
>> > > >>CAn you provide me with any emperical evidence that any of these
> beings
>> > > >>exist, Davey? Perhaps you missed one of the key p
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > 1) should have died in a head on car crash...only room for two cars
> on
>> > this
>> > > > road and I was the third....my car got a cratch in the point. It
> was
>> > > > unbelieveable.
>> > > > I got out and looked my car over and over again....nothing was
> wrong.
>> > > >
>> > > > 2) was caught in the riptide with my sister as a young child. We
> both
>> > > > screamed to our mom on the shore that we couldn't get in....that we
> were
>> > > > both being pushed further and further into the ocean. I could only
>> > barely
>> > > > touch the bottom with my tippy toes when I went under.
>> > > > I said "God, help me!" God told me to take my sisters hand and walk
> in.
>> > > > I did just that and walked right in.
>> > > >
>> > > > 3) Playing at my aunts home. Some cousins grapped a hold of an
> electric
>> > > > fence that my uncle had rigged so that the power never went off and
> had
>> > > > it at some super power level to keep his cows in. This cousin found
>> > himself
>> > > > stuck to the line. His brother grapped him to help pull him off
> only to
>> > > > find himself stuck....another person grapped onto him to help with
> the
>> > > > same result. Three kids now being electrocuted in front of us all.
> I
>> > asked
>> > > > God "what should I do???" God told me to grap by cousins hand and
>> > > > to leaned back. I did just that and we all came tumbling free.
> Note
>> > that
>> > > > God didn't tell me to put my head down and plow into the first
> cousin
>> > > > to knock them all free....but to grap hold of a hand and pull them
>> > off...
>> > > > exactly what had caused them all to be stuck. I not only listened,
> but
>> > > > obeyed.
>> > > >
>> > > > It's called angels.
>> > > >
>> > > > It's called God.
>> > > >
>> > > > It's called the love of my Father.
>> > > >
>> > > > It's called faith.
>> > > >
>> > > > many many stories are on the news day after day after year after
> year.
>> > > >
>> > > > Mystics? HA
>> > >
>> > > It's called ancedotal evidence. Thousands of people die horrible
> deaths
>> > > every day, so why should angel's care about you? Now if everyone was
>> > > mysteriously saved from nasty ends, then I might be more motivated to
>> > > look into it.
>> >
>> > How many interventions would you need before you believed it, and then
> what
>> > would the value of that faith be?
>> >
>> > Uncle Davey
>>
>> Well, unfortunately we don't have any anecdotes from the people who got
>> pulled under by a riptide and drowned while praying for God's help.
>>
>> We don't have any anecdotes from those who were electrocuted to death
>> while praying to be saved.
>>
>> We don't have any anecdotes from people who died in head-on car crashes
>> which the angels were to busy to meddle with that day.
>>
>> I think these are cases where 'bckwrds' was the beneficiary of good luck
>> and/or good thinking, which he doesn't seem eager to take the credit for.
>>
>> - Felix
>
> Good luck? If you only knew my life....which like every life started out
> with innocence but kinda went down hill from there. Incest, then child
> prostitution (yes, I have proof) and a mom that blamed me for it all....
> sisters and brothers who hated me and let me know that no one loved
> me because I was adopted. Oh, for good measures, I also burn down
> an empty house and one huge, stinky chicken barn. Because of all this
> good luck as a child, stayed with a man who, well, let's just say he isn't
> an upstanding citizen. Only good thing about him is that he is an X.
> Yeah, tell me about good luck.
>
> But one thing none of them could take from me was my faith. My dad tried
> and so did others....but it didn't work. Still doesn't and never will. It
> is
> called free will and it doesn't bother me one way or the other what others
> think about this. I know my life. I know the lives of many others....and,
> yes,
> there is God and the King of King.
>
> Some of us learn this fact before others, that's all.
As sad as your life must have been, I'm afraid ancedotal evidence of this
kind just isn't terribly impressive.
--
Aaron Clausen
mightymartianca@hotmail.com
"My illness is due to my doctor's insistence that I drink milk, a whitish
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