XPost: sci.psychology.psychotherapy, alt.consciousness, talk.origins
From: nick@SKIPTHESECAPSbackpack.com
In article , "Uncle Davey"
wrote:
> Użytkownik "Susan S" napisał w wiadomości
> news:mrqbk0h4dgaragjme0ilb08cv981d81ctf@4ax.com...
> > In talk.origins I read this message from Double Felix
> > :
> >
> > >In article , "Uncle Davey"
> > >wrote:
> > >
> > >> Użytkownik "bckwrds" napisał w wiadomości
> > >> news:ci1p38$f6o$0$216.39.143.27@theriver.com...
> > >> >
> > >> > "AC" wrote in message
> > >> > news:2qhm0cFvqiumU1@uni-berlin.de...
> > >> >
> > >> > [major snippage to get to the point]
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > > > Atheism would not exist in any cultures where it not for the
> > >> free-will,
> > >> > > > faith-based way
> > >> > > > That Christ has chosen to redeem us.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Atheism exists because some people don't believe in God. Hinduism
> > >> > > exists because some people believe in at least some members of the
> Hindu
> > >> > > pantheon, etc. ad nauseum.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > > There are no atheist angels, and no atheist demons.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > CAn you provide me with any emperical evidence that any of these
> beings
> > >> > > exist, Davey? Perhaps you missed one of the key p
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > 1) should have died in a head on car crash...only room for two cars
> on
> > >> this
> > >> > road and I was the third....my car got a cratch in the point. It was
> > >> > unbelieveable.
> > >> > I got out and looked my car over and over again....nothing was wrong.
> > >> >
> > >> > 2) was caught in the riptide with my sister as a young child. We
> both
> > >> > screamed to our mom on the shore that we couldn't get in....that we
> were
> > >> > both being pushed further and further into the ocean. I could only
> barely
> > >> > touch the bottom with my tippy toes when I went under.
> > >> > I said "God, help me!" God told me to take my sisters hand and walk
> in.
> > >> > I did just that and walked right in.
> > >> >
> > >> > 3) Playing at my aunts home. Some cousins grapped a hold of an
> electric
> > >> > fence that my uncle had rigged so that the power never went off and
> had
> > >> > it at some super power level to keep his cows in. This cousin found
> > >> himself
> > >> > stuck to the line. His brother grapped him to help pull him off only
> to
> > >> > find himself stuck....another person grapped onto him to help with
> the
> > >> > same result. Three kids now being electrocuted in front of us all.
> I
> > >> asked
> > >> > God "what should I do???" God told me to grap by cousins hand and
> > >> > to leaned back. I did just that and we all came tumbling free. Note
> that
> > >> > God didn't tell me to put my head down and plow into the first cousin
> > >> > to knock them all free....but to grap hold of a hand and pull them
> off...
> > >> > exactly what had caused them all to be stuck. I not only listened,
> but
> > >> > obeyed.
> > >> >
> > >> > It's called angels.
> > >> >
> > >> > It's called God.
> > >> >
> > >> > It's called the love of my Father.
> > >> >
> > >> > It's called faith.
> > >> >
> > >> > many many stories are on the news day after day after year after
> year.
> > >> >
> > >> > Mystics? HA
> > >> >
> > >>
> > >> It doesn't matter how many cases of this there are in the lives of
> people
> > >> they know and even in their own lives, they will choose to ignore them
> under
> > >> the banner of rationalism.
> > >>
> > >> One time I was driving on the road and one car overtaking me like a
> maniac
> > >> had a head on collision with another car coming the other way. Both
> cars
> > >> spun around and came to a halt in the road one in front of me and one
> behind
> > >> me, each facing back the way they came. Since the road was not broad
> enough
> > >> for them to spin around like that next to me without hitting me I could
> not
> > >> work out how it had happened, and to this day there seems only one
> > >> explanation.
> > >>
> > >> Uncle Davey
> > >
> > >That God wanted you to be in the middle of a car wreck unharmed?
> > >
> > > - Felix
> >
> > And does it follow then, that God wants those who are injured or
> > killed in auto accidents to be so?
> >
>
> Well Sue, there are those he allows to be and those he doesn't. That is
> implicit in any such belief in an intervening deity. It is difficult to be a
> sentimentalist and yet believe in a God who is still involved in events on
> this planet.
>
> Uncle Davey
The general rule is, if some unexpected *good* event occurs, it's
because God was watching out for you.
If some unexpected *bad* event occurs, it's because God moves in
mysterious ways.
Did I get it right?
- Felix
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