XPost: alt.paranormal, alt.paranormal.reincarnation   
   From: kiwi@ing.notin.aus   
      
   There are all sorts of factors involved (and ways of looking at how such   
   challenges can or can't be met - the implications thereof).   
      
   Such as the average neighborhood or local medium is not 100% - but may show   
   an accuracy and reliability around 60%? Maybe leaning towards 70% etc   
   if that person is extremely reliable psychically?   
   There are a few people who show a hit ratio in the 90-100% range - you can   
   judge these people for yourself in their television shows - James van   
   Praagh (American) and Colin Fry (English) appear very convincing in their   
   own shows. What little I've seen shown of John Edwards, does not impress me.   
   They (Praagh and Fry) have guest psychics on their shows too.   
      
   The average local psychic is not altogether convincing, and shows those   
   things that skeptics like to point out. 'Fishing' around and not being   
   specific enough in details, etc. And being inaccurate.   
   Some people claim to have psychic ability but don't have it at all - people   
   who are mentally unbalanced and not in full possession of their mental   
   abilities in which their judgement is clouded.   
      
   An amazing degree of integrity is involved to have and use psychic abilities.   
   They cannot be used for self gain and self fulfilment, etc.   
      
   It is interesting to note that in the Billy Meier material - the Plejarens   
   state clearly that Uri Geller doesn't know what he is 'doing' with his   
   abilities, and it is explained what is happening in his case. [I can't recall   
   the exact wording and explanation, so I don't like to inaccurately try   
   quoting it here/now.]   
   Also that so-called 'channeling' does not work as such, and the 'information'   
   is unreliable. An entity does not speak, in channeling - that it's not   
   possible -- but that automatic writing/drawing is genuine [I think that it   
   would plainly be obvious if Leonardo da Vinci was contacted, and then he   
   started writing in his peculiar script or started drawing in a style   
   characteristic of Leonardo. You can't spontaneously write in another   
   person's handwriting? Can you? Especially if it such a long time ago, when   
   writing was so very different.   
      
   You do recognise that someone is speaking in their own 'voice' trying to   
   act like it was someone else's - who is not an actor.   
   The explanation is - that it is not genuine.   
      
   Harvey   
      
      
   In article , ssake@goldthread.com says...   
   >   
   >There are a few problems with this logic:   
   >   
   >1) they are finding a percentage, and I think way beyond chance. So first of   
   >all, it is a real phenomenon, the only issue is the 100% standard you've   
   >posed. "Not finding all" doesn't prove "not finding any" logically.   
   >   
   >2) society has an amazing ability to ignore things that don't fit into its   
   >world-view. The things thus ignored pass out of consensual social reality,   
   >no matter how many times they are proven. Don't underestimate the phenomenon   
   >of denial, either on the individual level or the societal level.   
   >   
   >3) there may be rules about how much psychic ability is allowed to influence   
   >world events. From what I've read, it isn't permitted to reach this 100%   
   >standard. It also may not be allowed that people who are not ready, be   
   >convinced by proof.   
   >   
   >This is the paradox--worldly people who offer a million dollars are showing   
   >their own mindset. If someone has genuine abilities, and you want to   
   >sincerely know, if you go to them in humility and with respect, you may   
   >personally learn something. If you go in with arrogance trying to bribe them   
   >with large sums of cash, you will get what you already believe, i.e., what   
   >you draw to yourself will reflect your own beliefs and your own readiness.   
   >   
   >Steve S.   
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   >"Dorian West"  wrote in message   
   >news:41f9d550@dnews.tpgi.com.au...   
   >> ...we would have no missing persons as the psychic/remote viewer would be   
   >> able to tell us where they're at or buried. We have millions of missing   
   >> persons, so all this is just delusional thinking from those that cannot   
   >> accept reality.   
   >>   
   >> Here in Australia we had the Beaumont children go missing in 1966 and a   
   >> psychic try and find them   
   >> http://www.adam.com.au/bstett/PaPsychicDetectives95.htm   
   >> When a local Greek millionaire financed a search based on the psychic's   
   >> pronouncements, we got nothing, just a waste of money. Lucky he could   
   >afford   
   >> it.   
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