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   Message 757 of 2,497   
   Your Name Here=Harvey to All   
   Re: If all this psychic stuff is real th   
   30 Jan 05 05:55:11   
   
   XPost: alt.paranormal, alt.paranormal.reincarnation   
   From: kiwi@ing.notin.aus   
      
   In article <10vogdrg5089k85@corp.supernews.com>, rgrentcom@kcnet.com says...   
   >   
   >> ...we would have no missing persons as the psychic/remote viewer would be   
   >> able to tell us where they're at or buried. We have millions of missing   
   >> persons, so all this is just delusional thinking from those that cannot   
   >> accept reality.   
   >   
   >Since its part of what is being argued here, there aren't 'millions' of   
   >missing persons.  There are millions of dead bodies that are being 'missed'   
   >and their souls know exactly where their 'being-ness' is (not here), and a   
   >few 100,000 missing (still living) persons, worldwide.  This is an important   
   >fact to a later point.  Among the 'missing dead' I'd guesstimate that very   
   >few are of sufficient emotional/spiritual energy to effect a desired   
   >transition between 'here' and 'there' for the purpose of communicating with   
   >loved ones.   
   >   
   >Creating a psychic connection to the living is difficult enough for psychics   
   >of any useful degree.  To create a psychic connection to persons no longer   
   >on the physical plane is more difficult.  The creation of any ongoing   
   >psychic connection in which useful (i.e. - physical world applicable data)   
   >information is gained is extremely difficult in the best of circumstances.   
   >   
   >The attachment between two minds, one of which has passed on, presents   
   >unique difficulties in understanding and communications.  Different   
   >cultures, personalities, perceptions, experiences, times (not just   
   >calendar/clock time but subjective time rates too), all of these abide to   
   >interfere with psychic communication.   
   >   
   >When those that die, die, they lose their connection to their body.  Thus so   
   >many bodies that are unfound because there is no link to them anymore.  And,   
   >those that pass on, pass into a different place where they try to   
   >learn/remember how to get around; ongoing human physical interactions have   
   >suddenly become incredibly less important and necessary.  For example, when   
   >we use the capacity of speech, a huge amount of energy transferred   
   >"in-system" which doesn't happen on the other side.   
   >   
   >Our will/awareness (soul) which is attached to our body wants to say "Hi" to   
   >another soul.  The will moves the energy and the awareness directs it.  The   
   >energy transfers from brain cells and breath to muscles and timing.  The   
   >mouth begins to open, the breath pushes out, the vocal cords engage, and the   
   >vibration passes into the world, into the air for anyone to hear; the   
   >intended soul may or may not get the message because their "meat" is   
   >involved.  The vibration in the air acts against the passive ear drums,   
   >which vibrate that energy into impulses which eventually make it to the   
   >brain.   
   >   
   >A filter there clicks in and may/may not allow the message to pass to the   
   >awareness; if you are already known to the soul behind the brain, the   
   >vibration of that energy will be the key and slip past the filter.  The   
   >awareness recognizes the voice pattern, its timbre and pitch and timing, as   
   >well as the overall environment in which it hears it and additionally the   
   >context in which it is accepted WHICH IS AN INCREDIBLY HUGE AMOUNT OF   
   >PROCESSING ENERGY.   
   >   
   >When you pass to the other side, the will and awareness possess   
   >instantaneous perfect mind-to-mind communication, no meat involved.  So it   
   >becomes a huge hassle to continue to deal with the meat world.   
   >   
   >Granted there are some dispossesed souls that can refuse to pass, who   
   >'hang-out' for whatever reason, trying to connect to the meat-world, to gain   
   >justice, vengeance, parity/fairness, whatever.  Generally, these souls are   
   >misunderstanding their current place in their ongoing spiritual evolution   
   >(usually because of religious upbringing - but that is another argument for   
   >another time).   
   >   
   >These are the very few lost souls (I'd guess only about a couple hundred   
   >around the entire planet at any given moment) that true psychics tend to   
   >'pick up'.  And, true psychics tend to be older souls, more concerned with   
   >aiding the lost soul to find their place in their current environment, not   
   >to help them with the meat world unless that is absolutely necessary to the   
   >ongoing well-being of other still-enfleshed souls. (John Edwards, case in   
   >point)   
   >   
   >The movies/television aside, the world of the 'dead' does not continually   
   >attempt to encroach upon the world of the living.  On the other side, THE   
   >MEAT WORLD IS CONSIDERED EXTREEEEEEMMMMEEELLLY  BORING.  But its the only   
   >place where we can act upon and test our ongoing evolution. Evolution here   
   >is evolution there.   
   >   
   >My two cents, Saturday, 8PM, somewhere in the Americas.   
   >   
   >Rog   
   >   
   >   
      
   According to Plejaren (Billy Meier) information - it is possible for a   
   human body to contain up to 3? spirits - that when a person dies, and that   
   spirit wants to stay in this physical world, it is possible for that   
   discarnate spirit to inhabit a living body, (where of course, there is   
   already a spirit living there, it's rightful owner/user).   
   That psychologists are discovering this - and can convince that spirit   
   to leave, so that the person returns to normal.   
   I guess this can explain a person being mentally confused out of the blue,   
   or multiple personalities - and the so-called 'walk-in' in which a   
   different spirit appears to have taken over the body.   
      
   Harvey   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)   

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