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On Sep 23, 2025, Vincent Maycock wrote
(Message-ID:):
> On Tue, 23 Sep 2025 18:03:54 -0700, None wrote:
>
> > On Sep 23, 2025, Vincent Maycock wrote
> > (Message-ID:):
> >
> > > On Tue, 23 Sep 2025 00:26:04 -0700, None wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Sep 22, 2025, Vincent Maycock wrote
> > > > (Message-ID:):
> > > >
> > > > > On Mon, 22 Sep 2025 17:38:06 -0700, None wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > On Sep 22, 2025, Vincent Maycock wrote
> > > > > > (Message-ID:):
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Mon, 22 Sep 2025 12:46:08 -0700, None wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On Sep 22, 2025, Vincent Maycock wrote
> > > > > > > > (Message-ID:):
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > On Mon, 22 Sep 2025 09:47:38 -0700, None
wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > On Sep 22, 2025, Vincent Maycock wrote
> > > > > > > > > > (Message-ID:<51k2dkp25k552cd68ir6p4luk488q1qia2@4ax.com>):
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, 22 Sep 2025 03:12:45 -0700, "Andrew"
> > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > "JTEM" wrote in message news:10apq31$1vq
a$1@dont-email.me...
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Andrew wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, but the Jews vehemently petitioned Pilate,
specifically for
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Him
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > be crucified.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't believe it.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > It seems that the Romans, who invented the story,
cast the hated
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Jews as the bad guys.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > But they were Jews themselves who wrote what happened..
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Judaism was the main competition for the early Christian
church, so
> > > > > > > > > > > they tried to make "the Jews" look as bad as possible
when they
> > > > > > > > > > > made
> > > > > > > > > > > up their stories about Jesus.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > In whose mind? Yours?
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > The believers in Jesus as the Messiah were all Jews in the
> > > > > > > > > > beginning.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > But then they branched off, theologically, leaving an
emotional rift
> > > > > > > > > between Jews and Messianic Jews. Refusal to follow Jesus as
the
> > > > > > > > > Messiah did not leave first-century Jews in Christians' good
graces.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Theology is not of God, but of mans understandings. It is a
false
> > > > > > > > understanding because it stems from the mind of men who
speculate on
> > > > > > > > who
> > > > > > > > God
> > > > > > > > is, and it is NOT definitive. Never depend on it as having
full wisdom
> > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > knowledge. It is often misleading and serves to confuse, and
for that
> > > > > > > > reason
> > > > > > > > many denominations err and there is separation and not a
common bond.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > To say "Christ is risen" is a theological statement in addition
to
> > > > > > > being an attempt at history.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > To whose way of thinking as there were over 500 witnesses of it.
Plus to
> > > > > > think that someone was trying to create history is foolish, for
such
> > > > > > attempts
> > > > > > have been tried similar to that, but were always disproven, and or
been
> > > > > > discredited soon afterwards.
> > > > >
> > > > > Paul *claimed* that 500 witnesses saw him, but who was counting,
> > > > > right? And are you seriously claiming that attempts to create history
> > > > > are always unsuccessful? Do you believe all the stories promulgated
> > > > > by the Mormons, for example?
> > > >
> > > > Paul never said that. When the book of Mormons does not agree with
> > > > scripture
> > > > then their teachings are fully suspect. Many are seemingly nice people
on
> > > > the
> > > > outside. But on weekends the roads from Salt Lake City out of town on
> > > > Friday
> > > > nights and sat mornings are packed to LV and north also, out of state
for
> > > > casinos, etc. and on Sunday evenings it is the reverse. I am also very
> > > > familiar with many and know some of the ins n outs I will say no more
> > > > about
> > > > them.
> > >
> > > Paul said it in 1 Corinthians 15:6. And regardless of whether
> > > Mormonism agrees with scripture, it's still a very large denomination.
> > > So if the Mormons could do it, why couldn't first century Christians
> > > do it?
> >
> > 1Co 15:16 For if the dead rise not, then is not Christ raised:
> >
> > There is no mention of 500 people there are all.
>
> Try vs. 6, like I said above.
Sorry, my mistake with selecting the wrong verse/
>
>
> It says:
>
> 6 After that, he appeared to more than five hundred of the brothers
> and sisters at the same time, most of whom are still living, though
> some have fallen asleep.
There was no attempt to create history, however, which was your contention.
Taken in the light of context,....
1Co 15:4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day
according to the scriptures:
1Co 15:5 And that he was seen of Cephas, then of the twelve:
1Co 15:6 After that, he was seen of above five hundred brethren at once; of
whom the greater part remain unto this present, but some are fallen asleep.
1Co 15:7 After that, he was seen of James; then of all the apostles.
Paul related what he was told by those that were there at the scene when it
happened. Paul was not part of that crowd at that time for he was persecuting
them.
There are other places in scripture that confirms these things, if you care
to find the truth, such as,...
Act 13:29 And when they had fulfilled all that was written of him, they took
him down from the tree, and laid him in a sepulchre.
Act 13:30 But God raised him from the dead:
Act 13:31 And he was seen many days of them which came up with him from
Galilee to Jerusalem, who are his witnesses unto the people.
Act 13:32 And we declare unto you glad tidings, how that the promise which
was made unto the fathers,
>
> > Hinduism has far more people than the Mormons, does that give them more
> > legitimacy? Plus they have well over 1K gods.Some claim that Hinduism
> > existed
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