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On Sep 24, 2025, Vincent Maycock wrote
(Message-ID:):
> On Wed, 24 Sep 2025 00:03:38 -0700, None wrote:
>
> > On Sep 23, 2025, Vincent Maycock wrote
> > (Message-ID:):
> >
> > > On Tue, 23 Sep 2025 18:03:54 -0700, None wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Sep 23, 2025, Vincent Maycock wrote
> > > > (Message-ID:):
> > > >
> > > > > On Tue, 23 Sep 2025 00:26:04 -0700, None wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > On Sep 22, 2025, Vincent Maycock wrote
> > > > > > (Message-ID:):
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Mon, 22 Sep 2025 17:38:06 -0700, None wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On Sep 22, 2025, Vincent Maycock wrote
> > > > > > > > (Message-ID:):
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > On Mon, 22 Sep 2025 12:46:08 -0700, None
wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > On Sep 22, 2025, Vincent Maycock wrote
> > > > > > > > > > (Message-ID:):
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, 22 Sep 2025 09:47:38 -0700, None
wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > On Sep 22, 2025, Vincent Maycock wrote
> > > > > > > > > > > > (Message-ID:<51k2dkp25k552cd68ir6p4luk48
q1qia2@4ax.com>):
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, 22 Sep 2025 03:12:45 -0700, "Andrew"
> > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > "JTEM" wrote in message news:10apq31
1vqea$1@dont-email.me...
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Andrew wrote:
> > > It says:
> > >
> > > 6 After that, he appeared to more than five hundred of the brothers
> > > and sisters at the same time, most of whom are still living, though
> > > some have fallen asleep.
> >
> > There was no attempt to create history, however, which was your contention.
>
> Maybe not completely intentionally, but that's what the
> legends/fiction found in the Gospels indicate.
No proof of that exists.
>
>
> > Taken in the light of context,....
> >
> > 1Co 15:4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day
> > according to the scriptures:
> >
> > 1Co 15:5 And that he was seen of Cephas, then of the twelve:
> >
> > 1Co 15:6 After that, he was seen of above five hundred brethren at once; of
> > whom the greater part remain unto this present, but some are fallen asleep.
> >
> > 1Co 15:7 After that, he was seen of James; then of all the apostles.
> >
> > Paul related what he was told by those that were there at the scene when it
> > happened. Paul was not part of that crowd at that time for he was
> > persecuting them.
>
> So the earliest "history" of the New Testament has Jesus simply
> "appearing" mystically to those who were interested, without
> supposedly walking and talking physically among the believers like
> chronologically later passages in the Gospels claim. And the 500
> witnesses have nothing to do with what Paul was doing before his
> conversion.
Where do you come off with that info? It is absurd by any definition.
>
>
> > There are other places in scripture that confirms these things, if you care
> > to find the truth, such as,...
> >
> > Act 13:29 And when they had fulfilled all that was written of him, they
took
> > him down from the tree, and laid him in a sepulchre.
> >
> > Act 13:30 But God raised him from the dead:
> >
> > Act 13:31 And he was seen many days of them which came up with him from
> > Galilee to Jerusalem, who are his witnesses unto the people.
> >
> > Act 13:32 And we declare unto you glad tidings, how that the promise which
> > was made unto the fathers,
>
> Obviously, the Bible claims that Jesus rose physically from the dead,
> but the question is when did they begin to claim that, and which parts
> of the Bible claimed either of those things (mystical appearance
> rather than walking and talking with The Eleven after the supposed
> resurrection)?
In the Gospels and in the book of Acts.
>
>
> > > > Hinduism has far more people than the Mormons, does that give them more
> > > > legitimacy? Plus they have well over 1K gods.Some claim that Hinduism
> > > > existed
> > > > before Jesus. They accept spirituality and practice that a lot as well,
> > > > even
> > > > though it is evil. See the rabbit holes in the thinking of the mind of
> > > > men?
> > > > Given your reasoning a person could justify adultery by telling you
that
> > > > as
> > > > they were doing it, they were thinking of you and thus justify it.
> > >
> > > If Hinduism is a false religion, there must've been a point in time
> > > when its founders were trying to create history, but according to you
> > > they would've been disproven and discredited, leading to the collapse
> > > of their religion -- but they're still here. How do you explain that?
> >
> > That is pure foolishness, and you have no historical basis of thought for
> > that.
>
> The point is, a wrong idea (like the supposed resurrection of Jesus)
> can spread easily without it necessarily being based on facts.
Which is why the followers of Jesus wrote it down, and mention others who
were also witnesses to the facts.
>
>
> > > > > > > > > > > So they vilified the non-Messianic Jews (referred to as
simply "the
> > > > > > > > > > > Jews"), blaming them for Jesus' death and attacking
Jewish sects
> > > > > > > > > > > like
> > > > > > > > > > > the Pharisees as they wrote the Gospels.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > That, my friend, is misleading and without understanding.
They were
> > > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > be
> > > > > > > > > > blamed for the Death of Christ, and they knew it at the
time.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Even the Jews who had nothing to do with Jesus' crucifixion
(e.g.,
> > > > > > > > > children)?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > All the ones in that crowd that proclaimed it were accepting
the
> > > > > > > > responsibility and with such emphasis that they were fully
willing to
> > > > > > > > hold
> > > > > > > > their children and their children’s children as culpable as
well.
> > > > > > > > They
> > > > > > > > did
> > > > > > > > so knowing full well the severity of doing such a thing before
God and
> > > > > > > > Man,
> > > > > > > > and people in that culture did not take such things likely as
they
> > > > > > > > considered themselves bound by their words.
> > > > > > >
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